- From: Loren Cahlander <loren.cahlander@gmail.com>
- Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 11:35:17 -0400
- To: Jirka Kosek <jirka@kosek.cz>
- Cc: Paul Grosso <paul@paulgrosso.name>, core <public-xml-core-wg@w3.org>
Same here. I do not have my meeting room to talk. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 31, 2015, at 12:08 PM, Jirka Kosek <jirka@kosek.cz> wrote: > > Hi, > > please accept my regrets and proxy to the chair (and this is not April > joke :-) > > Jirka > >> On Mon, Mar 30, 2015, at 15:39, Paul Grosso wrote: >> We have an XML Core WG phone call scheduled for Wednesday, >> April 1, from >> 08:30-09:00 Pacific time aka >> 11:30-12:00 Eastern time aka >> 15:30-16:00 UTC >> 16:30-17:00 in Ireland and the UK >> 17:30-18:00 in middle (most of) Europe >> on the Zakim W3C Bridge, +1 617 761 6200, passcode 9652#. >> We also use IRC channel #xmlcore on irc.w3.org:6665 . >> >> >> See the XML Core group page [1] for pointers to current documents >> and other information. If you have additions to the agenda, please >> email them to the WG list before the start of the telcon. >> >> Please also review our group page's task list [2] for accuracy and >> completeness and be prepared to amend if necessary and accept it >> at the beginning of the call. >> >> >> Agenda >> ====== >> 1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and >> the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments, >> or corrections ready by the beginning of the call). >> >> >> 2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews. >> >> TPAC 26-30 October 2015 in Sapporo, Japan >> ----------------------------------------- >> See http://www.w3.org/2015/11/TPAC/ >> >> Any chance there will be enough people attending to hold a WG meeting? >> >> >> XML Potential Errata >> -------------------- >> Comment that “or by the Byte Order Mark” is lacking in section 4.3.3: >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2013OctDec/0002 >> >> Comment that an entity cannot “begin” with a BOM as suggested in section >> 4.3.3: >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2013OctDec/0003 >> >> ACTION to John and Henry: Review and comment on the above two comments >> on the discussion of BOMs in section 4.3.3 of the XML spec. >> >> ---- >> >> Comment about documents with an "empty DTD": >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Jan/thread#msg8 >> and >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/ >> >> Henry suggests we could probably make the XML spec clearer here; >> see also his comments at >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/0004 >> >> Paul sent the WG response at >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/0005 >> and there was more back from the commentor at >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/ >> >> Henry referenced Paul's email at >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/0010 >> especially Paul's suggestion in point 4, though Henry wasn't >> sure he agreed with the suggestion. >> >> ACTION to Henry: Post some suggestion(s) to the list about >> how to address: Comment about documents with an "empty DTD". >> >> ---- >> >> Question about normalization checking in XML 1.1 >> ------------------------------------------------ >> John Cowan forwarded an email for us to consider at >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Dec/0026 >> which I've also forwarded to the xml-editor list at >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014OctDec/0000 >> for official/archive purposes. >> >> Paul wrote some comments in email at >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Dec/0028 >> >> Henry checked with Richard who agrees it's a bug, though how >> to fix it isn't obvious. Probably the only candidates for not >> being normalized are (internal and external) doctypes per email at >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2015Jan/0004 >> >> ACTION to Norm and Henry: Review the email about normalization checking >> in XML 1.1 and suggest an appropriate corrigendum. >> >> ---- >> >> Potential Erratum to Namespaces >> ------------------------------- >> CMSMcQ raised a potential erratum against Namespaces at >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-names-editor/2014Sep/0000 >> with WG discussion started at >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Sep/0019 >> >> He says that our latest wording in the definition of 'namespace name' >> (section 2.1) appears to say that an element with no namespace binding >> in scope is in no namespace as opposed to saying its namespace is >> unknown (thereby leaving the possibility that its namespace >> information may be determined by some other methods). >> >> Norm, Paul, and Henry posted some thoughts on this, and none >> of us feel that the current wording is necessarily bad enough >> to be worth any change. In particular, Norm doesn't agree with >> what Michael thinks should be the case. Henry points out that >> HTML5 does "make use of" defining namespaces without the >> namespace spec mechanism. >> >> Henry had some more (private) exchanges with Michael, and >> Henry will summarize the discussion for the WG. >> >> ACTION to Henry: Summarize and provide current status of >> the discussion of this namespace potential erratum. >> >> >> 3. Submitting XML Schema 1.1 to ISO >> >> See also >> https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-schema >> >> We have decided we will first publish XML Schema 1.1 2E (with >> approved errata). After that, we would send XML Schema 1.1 2E >> (only) to ISO. >> >> Loren has offered to do the editorial duties, and David >> talked to CMSMCQ about getting some more help in the details. >> >> It looks like there are 3 bugs for Structures, none for Datatypes, >> but after checking with Michael, he found >> https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2004/06/xmlschema-1/structures.errata-2012.html >> which shows 8 errata items whereas bugzilla shows only 3. >> >> We discussed >> https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2004/06/xmlschema-1/structures.errata-2012.html >> >> Henry figures we can just publish this document. >> >> Loren believes the latest document includes everything, >> so the next step is to push it through the tool chain. >> >> We will need a diff (or list of changes). >> Loren says the diff is already available. >> >> We needed to consider whether any of the changes are normative >> and/or require a change to the test suite. After some discussion, >> we decided we should just create a PER. >> >> ACTION to Loren: Create the PER, i.e., XML Schema 1.1 Second Edition, >> and post (e.g., at http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2014/12/xschema11.html) >> for the WG to review (talk to Paul if you need help so posting). >> >> >> 4. XML Test Suite. >> >> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-test-suite >> >> >> 5. LEIRIs--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#leiri >> >> We have planned to issue the following spec editions referencing >> LEIRIs (and any outstanding errata): >> >> * XML 1.0 6th Edition (John to be editor) >> * XML 1.1 3rd Edition (John to be editor) >> * XInclude 3rd Edition (Paul to be editor) >> >> but all this is on hold awaiting resolution of IRIbis. >> >> >> 6. XInclude 1.1--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude >> >> On 2012 February 14, we published >> XInclude 1.1 Requirement and Use Cases >> http://www.w3.org/TR/xinclude-11-requirements/ >> >> On 9 October 2012, we published our FPWD of XInclude 1.1 at >> http://www.w3.org/XML/2012/10/WD-xinclude-11-20121009/ >> >> On 15 January 2013, we published our (first) Last Call of >> XInclude 1.1 at >> http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-xinclude-11-20130115/ >> and Paul sent the transition announcement at >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2013Jan/0012 >> (also cc-ing the chairs mailing list). >> >> On 2013 October 8, we published the XInclude 1.1 CR at >> http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/CR-xinclude-11-20131008/ >> >> Norm reports that Michael Kay's code just accesses Xerces code, >> so Norm might have to work with Xerces. >> >> DV reports that he is busy and so cannot commit to a deadline >> for adding XInclude 1.1 support to libxml. >> >> ACTION to Norm: Continue to work toward getting XInclude 1.1 >> implementations and document them in our implementation report. >> >> Note also the desire for another test case for the XInclude test suite >> per >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Apr/0000 >> >> Norm may see if he knows anyone still working on Xerces. >> >> Norm is planning to write a SAX filter to implement XInclude 1.1. >> He believes this will lead to a way for using XInclude 1.1 with >> Saxon's XSLT processor and most any other Java based tool. >> >> Jirka has implemented a subset of an XInclude processor >> in XSLT; it deals mainly with the new copy-attributes feature. >> >> We have published (another) Last Call 2014 December 16 at >> http://www.w3.org/TR/2014/WD-xinclude-11-20141216/ >> >> The Last Call period ended January 17. There were no comments. >> >> On the Feb 4 telcon, the WG had CONSENSUS to take XInclude 1.1 to CR. >> >> Paul drafted a Transition Request (including SOTD wording) at >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2015Feb/0010 >> Liam said Paul should send it to Ralph and PLH (not Philipp Hoschka). >> Liam said we might not need a telcon. >> >> Norm announces that he has one conforming implementation, >> the one in XML Calabash, and he is working on another. >> >> Norm is trying to get Elliotte Rusty Harold's Sax filter >> that does XInclude, and he would like to get that updated >> to support XInclude 1.1. >> >> ACTION to Norm: Update the implementation report and test suite. >> >> ACTION to Norm: Create the pub-ready CR taking into account the >> wording/URLs in Paul's draft Transition Request (but make the >> proposed pubdate [and corresponding URLs] some reasonable future >> date). >> >> >> 7. MicroXML >> >> MicroXML is not in our new charter, but we can discuss it. >> We will leave this as an ongoing item in our standing agenda. >> >> >> paul >> >> [1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core >> [2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks >> [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Nov/0027 > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Jirka Kosek e-mail: jirka@kosek.cz http://xmlguru.cz > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > Professional XML consulting and training services > DocBook customization, custom XSLT/XSL-FO document processing > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > OASIS DocBook TC member, W3C Invited Expert, ISO JTC1/SC34 member > ------------------------------------------------------------------ >
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