- From: Paul Grosso <paul@paulgrosso.name>
- Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 08:52:36 -0600
- To: core <public-xml-core-wg@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <54734634.2080000@paulgrosso.name>
We have an XML Core WG phone call scheduled for Wednesday, November 26, from 08:30-09:00 Pacific time aka 11:30-12:00 Eastern time aka 16:30-17:00 UTC 16:30-17:00 in Ireland and the UK 17:30-18:00 in middle (most of) Europe on the Zakim W3C Bridge, +1 617 761 6200, passcode 9652#. We also use IRC channel #xmlcore on irc.w3.org:6665 . See the XML Core group page [1] for pointers to current documents and other information. If you have additions to the agenda, please email them to the WG list before the start of the telcon. Please also review our group page's task list [2] for accuracy and completeness and be prepared to amend if necessary and accept it at the beginning of the call. Agenda ====== 1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments, or corrections ready by the beginning of the call). 2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews. XML Potential Errata -------------------- Comment that "or by the Byte Order Mark" is lacking in section 4.3.3: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2013OctDec/0002 Comment that an entity cannot "begin" with a BOM as suggested in section 4.3.3: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2013OctDec/0003 ACTION to John and Henry: Review and comment on the above two comments on the discussion of BOMs in section 4.3.3 of the XML spec. ---- Comment about documents with an "empty DTD": http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Jan/thread#msg8 and http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/ Henry suggests we could probably make the XML spec clearer here; see also his comments at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/0004 Paul sent the WG response at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/0005 and there was more back from the commentor at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/ ACTION to Henry: Read the post-February 6 email at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2014JanMar/ and let us know what you think we should do. Submitting XML Schema 1.1 to ISO -------------------------------- See also https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-schema We have decided we will first publish XML Schema 1.1 2E (with approved errata). After that, we would send XML Schema 1.1 2E (only) to ISO. Loren has offered to do the editorial duties, and David talked to CMSMCQ about getting some more help in the details. It looks like there are 3 bugs for Structures, none for Datatypes, but after checking with Michael, he found https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2004/06/xmlschema-1/structures.errata-2012.html which shows 8 errata items whereas bugzilla shows only 3. We discussed https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2004/06/xmlschema-1/structures.errata-2012.html Henry figures we can just publish this document. Loren believes the latest document includes everything, so the next step is to push it through the tool chain, but that make take help from Henry or Michael. Loren will try to contact Michael again. We will need a diff (or list of changes) and a test suite. Loren says the diff is already available. We need to see if any of the changes are normative. It appears that none of the changes require a chance in the test suite. David has produced a table outlining his thoughts on the normativity of the various changes at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Oct/0003 though the formatting there doesn't appear to work well. You can view the table better at https://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2014/xschema11.html ACTION to David and Liam: Discuss the changes we are making to the XML Schema spec and determine what our next step should be in terms of pushing this through to a new edition. ACTION to Loren: Check that he can run the build. Potential Erratum to Namespaces ------------------------------- CMSMcQ raised a potential erratum against Namespaces at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-names-editor/2014Sep/0000 with WG discussion started at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Sep/0019 He says that our latest wording in the definition of 'namespace name' (section 2.1) appears to say that an element with no namespace binding in scope is in no namespace as opposed to saying its namespace is unknown (thereby leaving the possibility that its namespace information may be determined by some other methods). Norm, Paul, and Henry posted some thoughts on this, and none of us feel that the current wording is necessarily bad enough to be worth any change. In particular, Norm doesn't agree with what Michael thinks should be the case. Henry points out that HTML5 does "make use of" defining namespaces without the namespace spec mechanism. Henry had some more (private) exchanges with Michael, and Henry will summarize the discussion for the WG. ACTION to Henry: Summarize and provide current status of the discussion of this namespace potential erratum. 3. XML Test Suite. See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-test-suite 4. LEIRIs--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#leiri We have planned to issue the following spec editions referencing LEIRIs (and any outstanding errata): * XML 1.0 6th Edition (John to be editor) * XML 1.1 3rd Edition (John to be editor) * XInclude 3rd Edition (Paul to be editor) but all this is on hold awaiting resolution of IRIbis. 5. XInclude 1.1--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude On 2012 February 14, we published XInclude 1.1 Requirement and Use Cases http://www.w3.org/TR/xinclude-11-requirements/ On 9 October 2012, we published our FPWD of XInclude 1.1 at http://www.w3.org/XML/2012/10/WD-xinclude-11-20121009/ On 15 January 2013, we published our (first) Last Call of XInclude 1.1 at http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/WD-xinclude-11-20130115/ and Paul sent the transition announcement at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2013Jan/0012 (also cc-ing the chairs mailing list). On 2013 October 8, we published the XInclude 1.1 CR at http://www.w3.org/TR/2013/CR-xinclude-11-20131008/ Norm reports that Michael Kay's code just accesses Xerces code, so Norm might have to work with Xerces. DV reports that he is busy and so cannot commit to a deadline for adding XInclude 1.1 support to libxml. ACTION to Norm: Continue to work toward getting XInclude 1.1 implementations and document them in our implementation report. Note also the desire for another test case for the XInclude test suite per http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Apr/0000 Norm may see if he knows anyone still working on Xerces. Norm is planning to write a SAX filter to implement XInclude 1.1. He believes this will lead to a way for using XInclude 1.1 with Saxon's XSLT processor and most any other Java based tool. Norm raised an issue at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Sep/0004 pointing out a problem copying the xml:base attribute when the xi:xinclude element itself has an xml:base attribute. Norm wrote an email with a couple proposals at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Nov/0006 We discussed this during the November 12 telcon; see minutes at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Nov/0012 Norm created an updated draft (dated November 13) at http://www.w3.org/XML/2012/08/xinclude-11/Overview.html with diff (from the previously most recent draft) markup at http://www.w3.org/XML/2012/08/xinclude-11/diff.html ACTION to all in the WG: Review the latest XInclude draft. ACTION to Norm, Paul, and Liam: Plan to issue a new XInclude Last Call draft. Jirka sent email at http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Nov/0022 suggesting some more features we could add as suggested by some other potential XInclude users/implementers. ACTION to Norm and others: Comment on Jirka's email. 6. MicroXML MicroXML is not in our new charter, but we can discuss it. We will leave this as an ongoing item in our standing agenda. paul [1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core [2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2014Nov/0012
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