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Minutes for XML Core WG telcon of 2012 January 11

From: Grosso, Paul <pgrosso@ptc.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2012 12:05:20 -0500
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Attendees
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Glenn
Norm
Paul 
Henry
Liam
John
Jirka 

[7 organizations (8 with proxies) present out of 9]

Regrets
-------
Daniel, proxy to the chair
Mohamed


Absent organizations
--------------------
Innovimax
Daniel Veillard (with regrets, proxy to the chair)


Our next telcon is January 25.  


> 1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
>    the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
>    or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).

Accepted.

> 
> 2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews.
> 
> xml-stylesheet and HTML5
> ------------------------
> Henry took an action to file a bug about xml-stylesheet
> handling.  Done:
> http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14689
> 
> Henry has done a lot more testing and filing of results to date.
> 
> ACTION to Henry: File a bug against the HTML5 spec saying that it
> should support styling XML with CSS.

Progress but the action remains open.

> 
> The CSS2 spec says something about styling XML with CSS.
> Henry also notes http://www.w3.org/Style/styling-XML.en.html.
> 
> Henry's tests are at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2011/11/ssTests/
> You need to look at the README and README2 files there.
> 
> 
> issues with the Polyglot draft
> ------------------------------
> Henry sent email with various potential issues at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Nov/0037
> 
> We should discuss each point and decide what we think.

We discussed the point about the spec recommending [P1] the use 
of the UTF-8 BOM.

[P1] http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-xhtml-author-guide/#character-encoding

Discussion didn't finish, continue in email.  John will post something.

> 
> 
> 3.  XML 1.0--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-errata
> 
> We are creating an XML 1.0 6th Edition and XML 1.1 3rd (or
> perhaps 6th) Edition.
> 
> ACTION to John:  Update the XML sources for XML 1.0 and 1.1
> to reflect any errata and the LEIRI reference.
> 
> On hold awaiting resolution of IRIbis.
> 
> 
> 4.  XML Test Suite.
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-test-suite
> 
> ACTION to Henry:  Construct a test case for the XML test suite
> issues raised by Frans Englich:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-testsuite/2007Mar/
> 
> 
> 5.  Namespaces in XML 1.0/1.1--see
>    http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#ns1.0
>    and http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#ns1.1.
> 
> 
> 6.  LEIRIs--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#leiri
> 
> We had planned to issue the following spec editions referencing
LEIRIs:
> 
> * XML 1.0 6th Edition
> * XML 1.1 3rd Edition
> * XInclude 3rd Edition
> 
> We continue to wait to see what might happen with IRIbis.
> 
> 
> 7.  xml:id--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-id
> 
> 
> 8.  XML Base 2nd Ed--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-base
> 
> 
> 9.  XLink 1.1--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xlink1.1
> 
> 
> 10.  XInclude 3rd Ed--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude
> 
> We are creating an XInclude 3rd Edition.
> 
> ACTION to Paul:  Update the XML sources for Xinclude to reflect
> any errata and the LEIRI reference.
> 
> On hold awaiting resolution of IRIbis.
> 
> 
> XInclude @xpointer when parse="text"
> ------------------------------------
> Previous email discussion at
>
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Oct/thread.ht
ml#msg46
> and
>
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Nov/thread.ht
ml#msg12
> 
> We seem to have three choices:
> 
> 1.  allow use of the @xpointer attribute when parse=text
> 2.  add a new "@textptr" attribute to use when parse=text
> 3.  add a new "@fragid" attribute to use in all cases and possibly
>     deprecate the @xpointer attribute
> 
> We are leaning toward choice #2 which Norm will include in the
> XInclude 1.1 requirements document and initial draft.
> 
> 
> Extending XInclude
> ------------------
> We've discussed extending xinclude to copy attributes on the
> xinclude element down to the root included element.
> 
> Some issues include:
> 
> 1.  exactly what attributes to copy?  Henry and Liam preferred to
> copy un-prefixed attributes (except those in the xinclude spec) too.
> 
> Norm worries what this would mean if we add another attribute
> in the XInclude spec?
> 
> Henry wants to be able to have unprefixed attributes copied
> onto the root included element.
> 
> Henry: we could add a new "copy me without prefix" namespace
> to xinclude.
> 
> Norm doesn't need that, but could live with it.
> 
> 2.  what to do about attribute conflict (error or one or the other
> wins).
> 
> 3.  whether we should "log" additions (e.g., via an attribute that
> says what attributes were added).
> 
> At first, we didn't think this was much of a concern, but then we
> realized perhaps it was something worth considering.
> 
> 4.  whether we should have some way for targets to say whether they
> can be xincluded and/or, when included, have attributes added.
> 
> 
> XInclude 1.1
> ------------
> This would address the two issues discussed above:
> * @xpointer when parse="text"
> * copying attributes from the xinclude element to the root
>   included element
> 
> If we want to produce an XInclude 1.1, we will need an amended
> charter as indicated by Ian at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Dec/0014
> but we can discuss requirements now.
> 
> Norm drafted an initial XInclude 1.1 requirements document at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2012/01/xinclude-11-requirements/

Paul and Jirka said it looked good, but we didn't get a chance
to discuss during the telcon.

> 
> (Eventual) ACTION to Norm:  Produce the initial XInclude 1.1
> editor's draft.
> 
> 
> 11.  Associating Stylesheets.
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#assoc-ss
> 
> AssocSS 2nd Ed is now a Recommendation at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/REC-xml-stylesheet-20101028/
> 
> 
> 12.  xml-model
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#assoc-schemas
> 
> The Second Edition has been published as a WG Note at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/NOTE-xml-model-20110811/
> 
> 
> paul
> 
> [1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
> [2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
> [3]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Dec/0012
> 
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