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Agenda for XML Core WG telcon of 2012 February 8

From: Paul Grosso <paul@paulgrosso.name>
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2012 10:10:33 -0600
Message-ID: <4F2FFB79.5020900@paulgrosso.name>
To: core <public-xml-core-wg@w3.org>
We have an XML Core WG phone call scheduled for Wednesday,
February 8, from
          08:30-09:00 Pacific time aka
          11:30-12:00 Eastern time aka
          15:30-16:00 UTC
          16:30-17:00 in Ireland and the UK
           17:30-18:00 in middle (most of) Europe
on the Zakim W3C Bridge, +1 617 761 6200, passcode 9652#.
We also use IRC channel #xmlcore on irc.w3.org:6665 .

See the XML Core group page [1] for pointers to current documents
and other information.  If you have additions to the agenda, please
email them to the WG list before the start of the telcon.

Please also review our group page's task list [2] for accuracy and
completeness and be prepared to amend if necessary and accept it
at the beginning of the call.


Agenda
======
1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
   the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
   or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).


2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews.

xml-stylesheet and HTML5
------------------------
Henry took an action to file a bug about xml-stylesheet
handling.  Done:
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=14689

Henry has done a lot more testing and filing of results to date.

ACTION to Henry: File a bug against the HTML5 spec saying that it should 
support styling XML with CSS.

The CSS2 spec says something about styling XML with CSS.
Henry also notes http://www.w3.org/Style/styling-XML.en.html.

Henry's tests are at
http://www.w3.org/XML/2011/11/ssTests/
You need to look at the README and README2 files there.


issues with the Polyglot draft
------------------------------
Henry sent email with various potential issues at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Nov/0037

Polyglot draft: BOM
-------------------
We discussed the point about the spec recommending [P1] the use of the 
UTF-8 BOM.

[P1] http://dev.w3.org/html5/html-xhtml-author-guide/#character-encoding

Henry thinks we converged on this in email on Wednesday 11 January: See
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Jan/index.html

Henry: I think we should file an issue against Polyglot about the BOM.

ACTION: Henry to file an issue against Polyglot about the BOM.

Polyglot draft: xml:space and xml:base
--------------------------------------
See the minutes at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Jan/0016
for the discussion.

ACTION: Henry to draft an issue regarding xml:space and xml:base in
         the Polyglot draft for WG review.


3.  XML 1.0--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-errata

We are creating an XML 1.0 6th Edition and XML 1.1 3rd (or
perhaps 6th) Edition.

ACTION to John:  Update the XML sources for XML 1.0 and 1.1
to reflect any errata and the LEIRI reference.

On hold awaiting resolution of IRIbis.


4.  XML Test Suite.

See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-test-suite

ACTION to Henry:  Construct a test case for the XML test suite issues 
raised by Frans Englich:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-testsuite/2007Mar/

5.  Namespaces in XML 1.0/1.1--see
   http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#ns1.0
   and http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#ns1.1.


6.  LEIRIs--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#leiri

We had planned to issue the following spec editions referencing LEIRIs:

* XML 1.0 6th Edition
* XML 1.1 3rd Edition
* XInclude 3rd Edition

We continue to wait to see what might happen with IRIbis.


7.  xml:id--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-id


8.  XML Base 2nd Ed--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-base


9.  XLink 1.1--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xlink1.1


10.  XInclude 3rd Ed--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude

We are creating an XInclude 3rd Edition.

ACTION to Paul:  Update the XML sources for Xinclude to reflect any 
errata and the LEIRI reference.

On hold awaiting resolution of IRIbis.


XInclude @xpointer when parse="text"
------------------------------------
Previous email discussion at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Oct/thread.html#msg46
and
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Nov/thread.html#msg12

We seem to have three choices:

1.  allow use of the @xpointer attribute when parse=text
2.  add a new "@textptr" attribute to use when parse=text
3.  add a new "@fragid" attribute to use in all cases and possibly
    deprecate the @xpointer attribute

We are leaning toward choice #2 which Norm will include in the
XInclude 1.1 requirements document and initial draft.


Extending XInclude
------------------
We've discussed extending xinclude to copy attributes on the xinclude 
element down to the root included element.

Some issues include:

1.  exactly what attributes to copy?  Henry and Liam preferred to copy 
un-prefixed attributes (except those in the xinclude spec) too.

Norm worries what this would mean if we add another attribute
in the XInclude spec?

Henry wants to be able to have unprefixed attributes copied
onto the root included element.

Henry: we could add a new "copy me without prefix" namespace to xinclude.

Norm doesn't need that, but could live with it.

2.  what to do about attribute conflict (error or one or the other
wins).

3.  whether we should "log" additions (e.g., via an attribute that says 
what attributes were added).

At first, we didn't think this was much of a concern, but then we
realized perhaps it was something worth considering.

4.  whether we should have some way for targets to say whether they
can be xincluded and/or, when included, have attributes added.


XInclude 1.1
------------
This would address the two issues discussed above:
* @xpointer when parse="text"
* copying attributes from the xinclude element to the root
  included element

If we want to produce an XInclude 1.1, we will need an amended charter 
as indicated by Ian at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Dec/0014
but we can discuss requirements now.

Norm drafted an initial XInclude 1.1 requirements document at
http://www.w3.org/XML/2012/01/xinclude-11-requirements/

We plan to clean up this draft a bit and publish it
as a WG Note.


11.  Associating Stylesheets.

See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#assoc-ss

AssocSS 2nd Ed is now a Recommendation at
http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/REC-xml-stylesheet-20101028/


12.  xml-model

See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#assoc-schemas

The Second Edition has been published as a WG Note at
http://www.w3.org/TR/2011/NOTE-xml-model-20110811/


paul

[1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
[2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
[3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2012Jan/0016
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