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Minutes for XML Core WG telcon of 2011 August 10

From: Grosso, Paul <pgrosso@ptc.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 12:18:59 -0400
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Attendees
---------
Norm
Paul 
Henry
Liam
John  start+09
Jirka

[6 organizations (8 with proxies) present out of 9]

Regrets
-------
Glenn
Mohamed
Daniel

Absent organizations
--------------------
IBM (with regrets)
Innovimax (with regrets, proxy to the chair)
Daniel Veillard (with regrets, proxy to the chair)


Our next telcon will be August 24.  

Regrets from Henry.


> 1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
>    the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
>    or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).
> 

Accepted.

> 
> 2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews.
> 
> TPAC week
> ---------
> TPAC will be 31 October through 4 November 2011 in Santa Clara
> California.  I think we should plan to have a f2f during this
> week: http://www.w3.org/2011/11/TPAC/ - Meeting Overview page.
> 
> Registration is now open:
> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2011/
> The XML Core WG is meeting Thursday and Friday of the TPAC week.
> 
> Likely attendance:
> 
> Probably will:  Paul, Norm, Henry, Liam
> Maybe:  Mohamed
> Most likely won't:  John, Daniel, Jirka, Glenn
> 
> 
> Request for explanation of namespaces and attributes
> ----------------------------------------------------
> An official request for an explanation of how namespaces affect
> attributes an has been sent to xml-editor, archived at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2011JulSep/0000
> 
> Paul sent a draft explanation at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Aug/0002
> Please read before the telcon and send comments in email or at
> least be ready to comment on the telcon.  I don't plan to wait
> another two weeks before sending this, so if anyone who cannot
> make the telcon objects to sending this response or something
> we come up with on the telcon, say so before the telcon.
> 

The WG approves Paul's message.

ACTION to Paul: Send the explanation of namespaces and attributes.

Done:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-editor/2011JulSep/0002

> 
> xml-stylesheet and HTML5
> ------------------------
> Henry started a thread at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Jul/0008
> 

ACTION to Henry:  Check the HTML 5 spec in this regard.

> 
> Extending XInclude
> ------------------
> Norm sent email on behalf of DocBook at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Jul/0013
> asking whether we want to consider extending Xinclude.
> 

The key issue is that xincluding content can often cause
duplicate ids, and the question is whether we can define
some kind of fix up.

Henry is skeptical about id fixup, and he considers IDs
as obsolete technology.

Norm doesn't see how scoped identifiers solves his problem.
See http://docbook.org/docs/transclusion-requirements/#uc-5
for a use case.

If we provide some kind of id fixup on xinclude, we could
provide some solutions to some use cases.

See http://www.docbook.org/docs/transclusion/#d6e180 for
some DocBook proposals for id fixup.

We'll plan to think about this some and revisit.

> 
> XLink implementation report comment
> -----------------------------------
> At
>
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2011JulSep/
0000
> we got a comment about an encoding mismatch that we should correct.
> 

ACTION to Liam:  Investigate and fix.

Done.

> 
> 3.  XML 1.0--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-errata
> 
> We are creating an XML 1.0 6th Edition and XML 1.1 3rd (or
> perhaps 6th) Edition.
> 
> ACTION to John:  Update the XML sources for XML 1.0 and 1.1
> to reflect any errata and the LEIRI reference.
> 
> On hold awaiting resolution of IRIbis.
> 
> 
> 4.  XML Test Suite.
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-test-suite
> 
> ACTION to Henry:  Construct a test case for the XML test suite
> issues raised by Frans Englich:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-testsuite/2007Mar/
> 
> 
> 5.  Namespaces in XML 1.0/1.1--see
>    http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#ns1.0
>    and http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#ns1.1.
> 
> 
> 6.  LEIRIs--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#leiri
> 
> We had planned to issue the following spec editions referencing
LEIRIs:
> 
> * XML 1.0 6th Edition
> * XML 1.1 3rd Edition
> * XInclude 3rd Edition
> 
> We continue to wait to see what might happen with IRIbis.
> 
> 
> 7.  xml:id--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-id
> 
> 
> 8.  XML Base 2nd Ed--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-base
> 
> 
> 9.  XLink 1.1--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xlink1.1
> 
> 
> 10.  XInclude 3rd Ed--see http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude
> 
> We are creating an XInclude 3rd Edition.
> 
> ACTION to Paul:  Update the XML sources for Xinclude to reflect
> any errata and the LEIRI reference.
> 
> On hold awaiting resolution of IRIbis.
> 
> 
> 11.  Associating Stylesheets.
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#assoc-ss
> 
> AssocSS 2nd Ed is now a Recommendation at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/REC-xml-stylesheet-20101028/
> 
> 
> 12.  xml-model
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#assoc-schemas
> 
> This has been published as a WG Note at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2010/NOTE-xml-model-20100415/
> 
> The ISO ballet has ended.  Some of the comments led us to
> tweak our Note.
> 
> Paul prepared an updated draft of the WG Note at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2011/04/xml-model/xml-model-diff.htm
> 
> The WG had CONSENSUS to publish XML Model 2nd Ed whose draft is at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2011/04/xml-model/xml-model-diff.htm
> 
> Paul send in a pub request at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Aug/0001
> 

We are on track for publication tomorrow.

> 
> paul
> 
> [1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
> [2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
> [3]
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2011Jul/0017
> 
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