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Agenda for XML Core WG telcon of 2009 November 18

From: Grosso, Paul <pgrosso@ptc.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 12:29:03 -0500
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We have an XML Core WG phone call scheduled for Wednesday, 
November 18, from
          08:00-09:00 Pacific time aka
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on the Zakim W3C Bridge, +1 617 761 6200, passcode 9652#.
We also use IRC channel #xmlcore on irc.w3.org:6665 .

See the XML Core group page [1] for pointers to current documents
and other information.  If you have additions to the agenda, please
email them to the WG list before the start of the telcon.

Please also review our group page's task list [2] for accuracy and
completeness and be prepared to amend if necessary and accept it
at the beginning of the call.


Agenda
======
1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
   the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
   or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).


2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews.

SC 34/WG 1 use of xml-model PI
------------------------------
We had responded to an SC 34/WG1 request to be able to use xml-model
for a PI target.  Our response is at:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009May/0011

We received a response at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Oct/0001
to which Paul replied at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Oct/0021

But then Mohamed, as liaison, reported that there would be problems 
with JTC1 writing the spec and then having W3C publish it.  One 
solution would be for us to write the spec (WG Note or Rec?) and 
then ISO would reference it.

ACTION to Henry:  Investigate the possibilities of having XML Core WG
write an xml-model spec.

Paul sent email to SC34 rescinding our agreement to let them
use xml-model until we can figure out how to go about it:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Oct/0039

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3023-bis
--------
A new draft of 3023-bis is at
http://www.w3.org/2006/02/son-of-3023/draft-murata-kohn-lilley-xml-04.ht
ml

I gather this was discussed at TPAC, and a new proposed draft is at
http://www.w3.org/2006/02/son-of-3023/latest.html

ACTION to Henry:  Provide notes or at least some summary of whatever
discussion occurred at TPAC.

Paul sent comments on this latest draft at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Nov/0054

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XHTML character entity support
------------------------------
Starting at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Nov/0000
there was quite a thread that I can't really follow.  I'm assuming
there is nothing for XML Core to do here.

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XML Entity Definitions
----------------------
The latest MathML WG almost-LC of XML Entity Definitions for Characters
is at http://www.w3.org/2003/entities/2007doc/
Unless I hear otherwise, I'll assume we have no comments.

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XML5
----
Simon forwarded an email at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Nov/0082
about replacing XML 1.x with XML5.  I'm assuming that there is
nothing for XML Core to do/say at this time.


3.  XML 1.0

See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-errata

The XML 1.0 5th Edition Recommendation is at
http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-xml-20081126/

Henry forwarded some email from Makoto about the 5th Ed at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Apr/0024


4.  XML Test Suite.

See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-test-suite

ACTION to Richard:  Construct a test case for the XML test suite 
issues raised by Frans Englich:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-testsuite/2007Mar/ 


5.  Namespaces in XML 1.0/1.1

See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#ns1.0 and
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#ns1.1.

The NS 1.0 2nd Ed Errata document is at
http://www.w3.org/XML/2006/xml-names-errata

The NS PE doc is at
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2001/05/proposed-xml-names-errata.html

NS 1.0 3rd Ed PER is at
http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/PER-xml-names-20090806/
and the review was successful.  The WG approved publication as a Rec.

ACTION to Henry:  Submit a transition/publication request for 
NS 1.0 3rd Ed to go to Rec.

There seems to be an outstanding issue at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/xml-names-editor/2009Oct/0004

ACTION to Henry:  Suggest how we might handle the NS 1.0 3rd Ed
push back from Bjoern Hoehrmann.


6.  LEIRIs

See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#leiri

The WG Note defining LEIRIs is at
http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-leiri-20081103/

The following specs need to be revised to reference LEIRIs:
XML 1.0 6th Edition
XML 1.1 3rd Edition 
XML Base 2nd Edition
XLink 1.1 (First Edition)
XInclude 3rd Edition 


7.  xml:id

The xml:id Recommendation is at
http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/REC-xml-id-20050909/

John Cowan submitted a proposed erratum at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Jan/0009

At one point we thought we had Consensus:  
The sentence "A document that uses xml:id attributes
that have a declared type other than xs:ID will always generate 
xml:id errors" in Appendix D.3 should be deleted.

But they we reconsidered.  Henry sent further email at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Apr/0048

We did agree that applying xml:id processing does not have
any impact on the DTD/XSD validity of the document.

John re-summarized his thoughts at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009May/0008

ACTION to Henry (and others):  Continue the xml:id issue
discussion in email.

---

Richard pointed out the following note in XML Base
(just before section 3.1):

 This specification does not give the xml:base attribute
 any special status as far as XML validity is concerned.
 In a valid document the attribute must be declared in
 the DTD, and similar considerations apply to other schema
 languages.

and suggested a similar note should go into xml:id in D.1.

---

There was also some email about some typos for which we (Henry)
should process an editorial erratum:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Apr/0050

ACTION to Henry:  Process an xml:id erratum to correct the typos; ref
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Apr/0050


8.  XML Base 2nd Edition 2nd Rec

See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-base

The XML Base 2nd Edition Recommendation is at
http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/REC-xmlbase-20090128/


9.  XLink 1.1.

See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xlink1.1

The earlier XLink CR was published at
http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/CR-xlink11-20060328/ 

The XLink 1.1 LC was published at
http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-xlink11-20080331/

The LC review period ended 16 May 2008.

Norm has prepared an updated DoC at 
http://www.w3.org/XML/2008/05/xlinklc/

Paul summarized the open issues at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Apr/0045

Norm replied at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009May/0009

ACTION to Norm:  Update the DoC accordingly.

The latest editor's draft (of the PR) is at
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2004/xmlcore/xlink11/
and a diff-with-the-last-CR draft is at
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2004/xmlcore/xlink11/Overview-diff.html 

Henry finds the DTD/RelaxNG/XSD fragments throughout the spec unhelpful 
and would like to remove them (leaving them only in the appendices).
Henry specifically referenced the example immediately preceding 5.3.
But this was in the CR, so we will probably leave it, but we will
remove the default for xlink:type.

Henry has updated the DTDs and sent things to Norm. 

ACTION to Norm:  Update the draft with the correct DTD, XSD, and RNC.

We plan to skip CR and going directly to PR.

Paul drafted a PR transition request at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Mar/0013

Norm created an updated IR at
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2004/xmlcore/xlink11/ir.html

ACTION to Norm:  Adding a mention of the test suite at
http://www.w3.org/XML/2006/03/xlink11-tests to the IR.

ACTION to Norm:  Create a diff between 1.0 and the 1.1 PR ready draft.


10.  XInclude 3rd Edition

See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude

XInclude 2nd Edition is at:
http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/REC-xinclude-20061115

See http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude for
LEIRI-related changes for the 3rd Edition.

ACTION to Daniel: Produce a PER-ready draft of XInclude 3rd Ed
with appropriate references to the IRI RFC for LEIRIs.


11.  Associating Stylesheets.

See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#assoc-ss

Associating stylesheets with XML version 1.0 is at:
http://www.w3.org/1999/06/REC-xml-stylesheet-19990629/

The Errata document is at:
http://www.w3.org/1999/06/REC-xml-stylesheet-19990629/errata

The latest issues document with CONSENSUS resolutions is at
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2009/06/assocss-issues.htm

The latest editor's draft of AssocSS 1.0 2nd Edition is at
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2009/09/xml-stylesheet.html
(2009 Nov 13 version).

Paul sent some comments, the latest at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Nov/0079
with some replies from Simon at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Nov/0081


paul

[1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
[2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
[3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Oct/0035
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