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Minutes for XML Core WG telcon of 2009 February 25

From: Grosso, Paul <pgrosso@ptc.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 12:02:36 -0500
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Attendees
---------
 John xx:20
 Glenn 
 Simon 
 Paul 
 Henry

[5 organizations (5 with proxies) present out of 10]

Regrets
------- 
Norm
Daniel

Absent organizations
--------------------
A-SIT
Marklogics (with regrets)
Univ of Edinburgh
François Yergeau
Daniel Veillard (with regrets)


> 1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
>    the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
>    or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).
> 

Accepted with correction that Google was not absent
(as correctly noted, John was present) and Marklogic
was absent (as correctly noted, Norm had sent regrets).

> 
> 2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews.
> 
> The next Technical Plenary (and AC meeting) week (TPAC week) 
> will be Nov 2-6 in Santa Clara, California:
> http://www.w3.org/2002/09/TPOverview.html#Future
> 
> The XML Core WG is tentatively planning to meet f2f 
> during that week.
> 

Addison Phillips of I18N sent email about 
Unicode Normalization in XML 1.0 5th Ed.; see
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Feb/0019

Allowing canonical equivalents to be treated as identical 
directly in XML implies that an element's start tag and
end tag could be character-for-character different.  This
is not currently the case--such would be not well-formed
and the input is therefore not XML--and the WG does not want 
to make it the case.

We could add some "motherhood" notes saying that XML producers
SHOULD produce normalized output.

We will revisit this on our next telcon with the hope that
we can have Richard and Francois join us.

> 
> 3.  XML 1.0
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-errata
> 
> The XML 1.0 5th Edition Recommendation is at
>  http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-xml-20081126/
> 
> 
> 4.  XML Test Suite.
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-test-suite
> 
> ACTION to Richard:  Construct a test case for the XML test suite 
> issues raised by Frans Englich:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-testsuite/2007Mar/ 
> 
> 
> 5.  Namespaces in XML 1.0/1.1
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#ns1.0 and
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#ns1.1.
> 
> The NS 1.0 2nd Ed Errata document is at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2006/xml-names-errata
> 
> The NS PE doc is at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2001/05/proposed-xml-names-errata.html
> 
> Richard added some discussion at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2001/05/proposed-xml-names-errata.html#npe29
> The WG agreed with his direction and asked that he go forward with it.
> 
> ACTION to Richard:  Fill in a proposed resolution for NPE29.

ACTION to Richard continued.

> 
> 
> 6.  LEIRIs
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#leiri
> 
> The WG Note defining LEIRIs is at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-leiri-20081103/
> 
> The following specs need to be revised to reference LEIRIs:
> XML 1.0 6th Edition
> XML 1.1 3rd Edition 
> XML Base 2nd Edition
> XLink 1.1 (First Edition)
> XInclude 3rd Edition 
> 
> 7.  xml:id
> 
> The xml:id Recommendation is at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/REC-xml-id-20050909/
> 
> John Cowan submitted a proposed erratum at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Jan/0009
> and the WG had Consensus to do as follows (in countdown until
> this week's telcon):
> 
>  The sentence "A document that uses xml:id attributes that 
>  have a declared type other than xs:ID will always generate 
>  xml:id errors" in Appendix D.3 should be deleted.

At the end of countdown, no objections.

> 
> ACTION to Paul (after this week's telcon):  Update the Errata 
> document at http://www.w3.org/2005/09/xml-id-errata

ACTION to Paul now due.

> 
> ACTION to Henry:  Think about the appropriateness of
> the same sentence in Appendix D.2.

ACTION to Henry continued.

> 
> 
> 8.  XML Base 2nd Edition 2nd Rec
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-base
> 
> The XML Base 2nd Edition Recommendation is at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/REC-xmlbase-20090128/
> 
> 
> 9.  XLink 1.1.
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xlink1.1
> 
> The earlier XLink CR was published at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/CR-xlink11-20060328/ 
> 
> The XLink 1.1 LC was published at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-xlink11-20080331/
> 
> The LC review period ended 16 May 2008.
> 
> Norm has prepared a DoC at 
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2008/05/xlinklc/
> 

ACTION to Norm:  Ensure the DoC is up to date.

> ACTION to Norm:  Update XLink 1.1 to refer to the LEIRI note.
> 
> There's an open question about whether the XSD/DTD 
> should default the xlink:type attribute value. 
> None of this effects our last call because the
> XSD/DTD are not normative.
> 
> John asked whether we should have two schemas, one for
> each of our conformance levels.
> The notion was to have a schema for people who want to implement
> the basic level of conformance, so they only have simple links.
> For the DTD, which is just a sample, we just need a smaller
> subset. Likewise, the XSD should include only declarations 
> for the simple links.
> 
> ACTIONs to Henry, John:  Produce a basic level
> conformance XSD and RelaxNG schema for XLink.

ACTIONs to Henry, John continued.

> 
> Paul asks us to consider skipping CR and going directly to PR.
> 
> ACTION to Henry:  Review the history and make a recommendation
> as to whether we should skip CR and go directly to PR.
> 

ACTION to Henry continued, but he has started looking into this.
He says it will be tight, but he thinks it might work.

ACTION to Paul:  Draft a PR transition request.

> 
> 10.  XInclude 3rd Edition
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude
> 
> XInclude 2nd Edition is at:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/REC-xinclude-20061115
> 
> See http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude for
> LEIRI-related changes for the 3rd Edition.
> 
> ACTION to Daniel: Produce a PER-ready draft of XInclude 3rd Ed
> with appropriate references to the IRI RFC for LEIRIs.
> 
> 
> 11.  Associating Stylesheets.
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#assoc-ss
> 
> Associating stylesheets with XML version 1.0 is at:
> http://www.w3.org/1999/06/REC-xml-stylesheet-19990629/
> 
> The Errata document is at:
> http://www.w3.org/1999/06/REC-xml-stylesheet-19990629/errata
> 
> Simon has requested we consider revisions; see his email at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Feb/0002
> and his suggested draft at
> http://simon.html5.org/specs/xml-stylesheet5
> 
> See also his latest email at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Feb/0014
> outlining various issues.
> 

We discussed parts of Simon's email.

ACTION to Paul:  Determine Arbortext behavior in various erroneous cases
and reply to Simon's email with results and suggested resolutions.

ACTION to Henry:  Determine Saxon behavior in various erroneous cases
and reply to Simon's email with results and suggested resolutions.

Others are invited to reply to Simon's email with suggested resolutions.

> 
> paul
> 
> [1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
> [2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
> [3] 
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Feb/0008
> 
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