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Minutes for XML Core WG telcon of 2009 December 16

From: Grosso, Paul <pgrosso@ptc.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 11:18:15 -0500
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Attendees
---------
 Norm
 Paul 
 Henry, W3C
 Henry, U of E

[4 organizations (4 with proxies) present out of 11]

Regrets
------- 
Richard
Simon

Absent organizations
--------------------
A-SIT
Google
IBM
Innovimax
Opera (with regrets)
Daniel Veillard 
François Yergeau


> 1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
>    the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
>    or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).

Accepted.

> 
> 2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews.

There will be no telcon on December 30.  Our next telcon will
be 2010 January 13.  Norm sends regrets.


> 
> SC 34/WG 1 use of xml-model PI
> ------------------------------
> SC 34/WG1 requested to be able to use xml-model for a PI target.
> 
> It has been reported that there would be problems
> with JTC1 writing the spec and then having W3C publish it.  One
> solution would be for us to write the spec (WG Note or Rec?) and
> then ISO would reference it.
> 
> Henry reports that IJ would be happy to see the WG produce a Note.
> 
> Paul wants the WG Note to be the complete spec so that someone
> can reference it.
> 
> Paul wants to draft the note first as a starting point from which
> ISO can write their spec--in coordination with us and as we redraft
> our Note to keep it in sync--and then when they have a final spec,
> we will finalize our Note with a reference to the ISO spec.

Paul has offered to be an editor.  We will offer Jirka co-editorship.

ACTION to Paul:  Send email to Jirka about possible co-editorship.

> 
> ----
> 
> 3023-bis
> --------
> A new proposed draft of 3023-bis is at
> http://www.w3.org/2006/02/son-of-3023/latest.html
> 
> Paul sent comments on this latest draft at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Nov/0054
> They were mostly editorial, but Paul did request the addition of a
> para:
> 
>  Because applications are not required to support schemes other
>  than the 'element' scheme, use of other schemes can reduce
>  universal interoperability; such use SHOULD be carefully
>  considered in each case.
> 
> Henry is okay with that addition.

Chris sent email at 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Dec/0016
indicating that he accepted most of Paul's suggestions for
the next publication (which might be an RFC or another ID).

> 
> 
> 3.  XML 1.0
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-errata
> 
> The XML 1.0 5th Edition Recommendation is at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/REC-xml-20081126/
> 
> Henry forwarded some email from Makoto about the 5th Ed at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Apr/0024
> 
> 
> 4.  XML Test Suite.
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-test-suite
> 
> ACTION to Richard:  Construct a test case for the XML test suite
> issues raised by Frans Englich:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-testsuite/2007Mar/
> 
> 
> 5.  Namespaces in XML 1.0/1.1
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#ns1.0 and
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#ns1.1.
> 
> NS 1.0 3rd Ed is now a Recommendation at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/REC-xml-names-20091208/
> 
> The NS 1.0 3rd Ed Errata document is at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2009/xml-names-errata
> 
> The NS PE doc is at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2001/05/proposed-xml-names-errata.html
> 
> 
> 6.  LEIRIs
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#leiri
> 
> The WG Note defining LEIRIs is at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/NOTE-leiri-20081103/
> 
> The following specs need to be revised to reference LEIRIs:
> XML 1.0 6th Edition
> XML 1.1 3rd Edition
> XML Base 2nd Edition
> XLink 1.1 (First Edition)
> XInclude 3rd Edition
> 
> 
> 7.  xml:id
> 
> The xml:id Recommendation is at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/REC-xml-id-20050909/
> 
> John Cowan submitted a proposed erratum at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Jan/0009
> 
> At one point we thought we had Consensus:
> The sentence "A document that uses xml:id attributes
> that have a declared type other than xs:ID will always generate
> xml:id errors" in Appendix D.3 should be deleted.
> 
> But they we reconsidered.  Henry sent further email at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Apr/0048
> 
> We did agree that applying xml:id processing does not have
> any impact on the DTD/XSD validity of the document.
> 
> John re-summarized his thoughts at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009May/0008
> 
> ACTION to Henry (and others):  Continue the xml:id issue
> discussion in email.
> 
> ---
> 
> Richard pointed out the following note in XML Base
> (just before section 3.1):
> 
>  This specification does not give the xml:base attribute
>  any special status as far as XML validity is concerned.
>  In a valid document the attribute must be declared in
>  the DTD, and similar considerations apply to other schema
>  languages.
> 
> and suggested a similar note should go into xml:id in D.1.
> 
> ---
> 
> There was also some email about some typos for which we (Henry)
> should process an editorial erratum:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Apr/0050
> 
> ACTION to Henry:  Process an xml:id erratum to correct the typos; ref
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Apr/0050
> 
> 
> 8.  XML Base 2nd Edition 2nd Rec
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xml-base
> 
> The XML Base 2nd Edition Recommendation is at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/REC-xmlbase-20090128/
> 
> 
> 9.  XLink 1.1.
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xlink1.1
> 
> The earlier XLink CR was published at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/CR-xlink11-20060328/
> 
> The XLink 1.1 LC was published at
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2008/WD-xlink11-20080331/
> 
> The LC review period ended 16 May 2008.
> 
> Norm has prepared an updated DoC at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2008/05/xlinklc/
> 
> Paul summarized the open issues at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Apr/0045
> 
> Norm replied at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009May/0009
> 
> ACTION to Norm:  Update the DoC accordingly.
> 
> The latest editor's draft (of the PR) is at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2004/xmlcore/xlink11/
> and a diff-with-the-last-CR draft is at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2004/xmlcore/xlink11/Overview-diff.html
> 
> Henry finds the DTD/RelaxNG/XSD fragments throughout the spec unhelpful
> and would like to remove them (leaving them only in the appendices).
> Henry specifically referenced the example immediately preceding 5.3.
> But this was in the CR, so we will probably leave it, but we will
> remove the default for xlink:type.
> 
> Henry has updated the DTDs and sent things to Norm.
> 
> ACTION to Norm:  Update the draft with the correct DTD, XSD, and RNC.
> 
> We plan to skip CR and going directly to PR.
> 
> Paul drafted a PR transition request at
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Mar/0013
> 
> Norm created an updated IR at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2004/xmlcore/xlink11/ir.html
> 
> ACTION to Norm:  Adding a mention of the test suite at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2006/03/xlink11-tests to the IR.
> 
> ACTION to Norm:  Create a diff between 1.0 and the 1.1 PR ready draft.
> 
> 
> 10.  XInclude 3rd Edition
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude
> 
> XInclude 2nd Edition is at:
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/REC-xinclude-20061115
> 
> See http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#xinclude for
> LEIRI-related changes for the 3rd Edition.
> 
> ACTION to Daniel: Produce a PER-ready draft of XInclude 3rd Ed
> with appropriate references to the IRI RFC for LEIRIs.
> 
> 
> 11.  Associating Stylesheets.
> 
> See also http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#assoc-ss
> 
> Associating stylesheets with XML version 1.0 is at:
> http://www.w3.org/1999/06/REC-xml-stylesheet-19990629/
> 
> The Errata document is at:
> http://www.w3.org/1999/06/REC-xml-stylesheet-19990629/errata
> 
> We are working toward a PER for AssocSS 2nd Edition.
> 
> We have made our latest editor's draft at
> http://www.w3.org/XML/2009/12/xml-stylesheet/
> publicly available for review and announced it in various fora.

There are already some comments on the comments list at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-stylesheet-comments/2009Dec/

ACTION to Henry:  Start an issues list for AssocSS.

> 
> ACTION to Henry:  Post URLs to the announcements in xml-dev
> and comp.text.xml.

ACTION to Henry continued.

> 
> [1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
> [2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
> [3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2009Dec/0003
> 
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