Agenda for XML Core WG telcon of 2006 September 6

We have an XML Core WG phone call scheduled for Wednesday, 
September 6, from
          08:00-09:00 Pacific time aka
          11:00-12:00 Eastern time aka
          15:00-16:00 UTC
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on the Zakim W3C Bridge, +1 617 761 6200, passcode 9652#.
We also use IRC channel #xmlcore on irc.w3.org:6665 .

See the XML Core group page [1] for pointers to current documents
and other information.  If you have additions to the agenda, please
email them to the WG list before the start of the telcon.

Please also review our group page's task list [2] for accuracy and
completeness and be prepared to amend if necessary and accept it
at the beginning of the call.


Agenda
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1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
   the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
   or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).

Leonid and DV send regrets for September 6 and 13.


2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews.

John Cowan reviewed
> CSS Module: Namespaces
> W3C Working Draft 28 August 2006
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-css3-namespace-20060828/

His draft response is at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2006Sep/0000
(followed by some comments by Henry and Paul).

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Henry suggests that the current Editors' draft of 
Web Services Policy 1.5-Framework makes some remarks about 
xml:id and the interactions with C14N which we should 
probably review:
http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy-framework.h
tml?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8#Policy_Identification

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There is an ongoing discussion about XPointer split over
several different mailing lists [why do people supposedly
well aware of how W3C discussions work still do this?!?]
that we may have to do something about someday.  See
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2006Sep/thread.html#msg0
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2006JulSep/
thread.html#msg5


3.  C14N 

We have three C14N documents all of which we want to
approve for initial publication during this week's telcon.

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Jose has produced a publication ready version of the C14N note 
(documenting the current situation and issues and problems) at
http://www.w3.org/2006/04/c14n-note/

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Last week's version of the separate "how to use XML Signature 
today" WG note is at
http://www.w3.org/2006/04/c14n-note/dsig2006-note.html

ACTION to Thomas:   Produce a publication ready version
of the DSIG note and announce to the WG on the XML Core list.

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Last week we had CONSENSUS to publish these two notes as First WD.

ACTION to Paul:  Send First publication request.

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The latest editor's draft of C14N 1.1 is at
http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/2006/05/WD-xml-c14n11-20060510.html

Richard replied to Konrad's email, esp
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2006Jul/0022
as amended by
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2006Jul/0023
at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2006Aug/0032
saying that it looked good to him, but it will be important
to have a test suite testing all the various cases.

Richard thinks the "diff markup" of 3986 is enlightening
and should actually appear in the spec.

Regarding referencing 3986 instead of 2396, we plan to leave the 
normative text and references
of c14n 1.1 as is for a first public working draft, but to add a
note in the "status of this document" section that says that the
section on xml:base is expected to evolve along with the group's
work on that recommendation.

CONSENSUS to publish the C14N 1.1 WD as First WD.

ACTION to Glenn:   Produce a publication ready version of the 
C14N 1.1 WD and announce to the WG on the XML Core list.

ACTION to Paul:  Send First publication request.


4.  xml:base, [baseURI], and IRIs.

At the f2f, we had CONSENSUS to change the 
xml:base spec to make it clear we allow IRIs as the 
value of xml:base. We also want to allow IRIs in the 
infoset [baseURI] information item.

One paragraph in the Infoset says the baseURI may
have unescaped characters, but elsewhere it says
the baseURI follows XML Base which points to RFC 2396.
If we change XML Base, we shouldn't have to change
the Infoset spec much.

We need to think about incorporation of 3986 and 3987.

Richard kindly volunteered to be the editor of
XML Base 2nd Edition.

We need to update xml:base to reference 3986.

We also need to discuss what kind of normalization happens
to xml:base attributes in computing the [baseURI].

We need to make it clear what kind of normalization occurs
and when it should happen.

We have agreed that we do not do escaping of the value
for [baseURI].  We need to make this clear in xml:base.

ACTION to Richard:  Produce a first draft (and diff version)
of XML Base Second Edition.

Konrad reminds us to mention the special values like
xml:base="" and such.

We need to tighten up language about escaping disallowed
characters (e.g., % signs).


5.  XLink update.

XLink is now in CR--published at
http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/CR-xlink11-20060328/ 

Norm sent some email about his test suite at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2006Mar/0066

Henry has put up Norm's test suite and code, referenced at
http://www.w3.org/XML/2006/03/xlink11-tests
Norm's tool itself at
http://www.w3.org/2006/08/showxlinks/showxlinks
is member only.

Paul wrote a draft PR request at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2006Jul/0001

ACTION to Norm:  Create an XLink DoC.

ACTION to Norm:  Post to the WG mailing list something to
show that any valid XLink 1.1 document can be programmatically 
converted into an equivalent XLink 1.0 document.

ACTION to Norm:  Provide a few more tests for the test suite.

The old version XLink in section 5.5, we talk about values
of href attributes.

In the new version, we talk about IRIs and XML Resource 
Identifiers and other ways of encoding.  So it's unclear
now what to do about spaces in href attributes.  Compare
http://www.w3.org/TR/xlink11/#link-semantics and the
wording above it in section 5.4.1 at
http://www.w3.org/TR/xlink11/#xml-resource-identifier

Norm thinks instead of spaces, we should now say non-URI
characters. 

ACTION to Norm:  Make a suggestion how best to fix this.


6. XML 1.0/1.1 4th/2nd Editions published 2006 August 16:

 Extensible Markup Language (XML) 1.0 (Fourth Edition)
 http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/REC-xml-20060816

 Extensible Markup Language (XML) 1.1 (Second Edition)
 http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/REC-xml11-20060816

John Cowan raised an issue with a "typo" in these specs at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2006Sep/0013


7. Namespaces in XML 1.0/1.1 2nd Editions published 2006 August 16:

 Namespaces in XML 1.0 (Second Edition)
 http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/REC-xml-names-20060816

 Namespaces in XML 1.1 (Second Edition)
 http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/REC-xml-names11-20060816

ACTION to Richard:  Record Anne's issue/proposed resolution
in the Namespace PE document.


8. Xinclude Rec was published 2004 December 30 at:
   http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/REC-xinclude-20041220/

Our XInclude potential errata document is at:
http://www.w3.org/XML/2005/01/proposed-xinclude-errata

Daniel has updated the Errata document at
http://www.w3.org/2004/12/xinclude-errata 

Daniel has drafted XInclude 2nd Edition with all 
the errata (including the IRI one) applied. Result is 
http://www.w3.org/XML/2006/04/XInclude/REC-xinclude-20060423.html
with a diff version at
http://www.w3.org/XML/2006/04/XInclude/REC-xinclude-20060423-review.html

Still need to handle errata document for the new edition
and other front matter.

Paul sent an UPDATED draft PER request at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2006Aug/0039

DV reports that there are a few changes in the XInlude 
errata that could benefit from a test suite. 
PEX1, PEX6 and PEX11 could affect conformance and we should
add test cases to the test suite for these situations.  DV's
email at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2006Aug/0033
outlines such tests.

ACTION to DV:  Add the tests suggested in the email to the test 
suite at http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2001/XInclude-Test-Suite/
and updated http://www.w3.org/XML/Test/XInclude/ also.

We plan to vote to take XInclude 2nd Ed to PER this week.


9.  Associating stylesheets--awaiting TAG action.

Henry reports that the HTML CG has been discussing this
for a while.  They are developing a draft statement of
the issue, and Chris Lilley will raise this at the XML CG.

Chris started the discussion on the XML CG list--see
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xml-cg/2005Jul/thread.html#15
The XML CG will continue to discuss it for a while.


10.  Henry raises that RFC 3023 is out of date and the draft
replacement has expired.  

Chris has gotten the source and made the changes.

There is a draft at
http://www.w3.org/2006/02/son-of-3023/draft-murata-kohn-lilley-xml-02.tx
t
that can be reviewed now with comments sent to the XML Core
mailing list and/or Chris Lilley.

Paul sent some comments on 3023bis to the XML CG at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xml-cg/2006Apr/0026

Henry says Chris is going to take the XML CG input outlined at
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-xml-cg/2006Apr/0019
and produce another draft.

Chris and Henry also are backing "xpointer scheme" down 
from "registered" to "pending" in the registry.

We will now await a new draft from Chris.

When 3023bis becomes a reality, we might have some
specs that need updating for the reference, but we
don't expect any major changes.


[1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
[2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
[3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2006Aug/0054

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