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-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2006Jul/0016.html
Henry: Please discuss milestone
dates for XLink and C14N for draft charter
... XLink comment:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2006AprJun/0001.html
... And revised publication date for edited Recommendations
Accepted with those additions
-> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2006Jun/0054
Accepted.
-> http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
Norm: that looks right to me
Any other administrivia? Document reviews?
None suggested.
We have a proposed note
-> http://www.w3.org/2006/04/c14n-note
Konrad: Suggested text posted to the list; Richard replied and work is underway.
<jose> http://www.w3.org/2006/04/c14n-note/c14n-note.html
Konrad: Also trying to get
familiar with publication rules.
... A diff will be available soon.
... Hopefully we'll be able to agree on this after I publish
the updates.
Glenn: At this point, is it basically that when Konrad and Richard come to an agreement we're ready to go?
Norm: It's been a while, I'll try to take another look.
Glenn: Every time wording has been proposed, it's kicked off another round of discussion.
Norm: We've all had a few weeks off
Richard: I think we reached agreement about what the algorithm should be.
Glenn: Right, but we were discussing the actual wording
Richard: I sent in my comments, if those are accepted, I'll be happy.
Konrad: I'm not sure I understand the comments.
Glenn: So we believe we're at a point where there's candidate wording and we're just about done
Norm: Do you understand the comments, Konrad?
Konrad: Yes, I think I do. I've just got one more action to do.
<jose> konrad, I can help you with the pubrules. It's much more easier than you think
We should all read the next draft when it's published
We'll come back to this after the edited Recommendations are published
Topix: XLink
Norm: I've had no time to work on this. Maybe by late August.
XLink comment: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-xml-linking-comments/2006AprJun/0001.html
Henry: Boris says we haven't replied in four months and they need one.
Norm: Yeah, we should reply. I
thought we would after the end of the comment period, we've
just been distracted by other things
... We might like XLink to say that support for
xlink:actuate="onRequest" is more than a should, but is that
the sort of change we want to make in 1.1?
Henry: That's not how I read RFC 2119 SHOULD.
Richard: I think you could analyze each xlink:actuate and say something more specific.
Henry: I don't agree with either
of his conclusions. Without further information, I don't know
why you didn't do the SHOULD.
... His second suggestion is downright contrary to what the
spec says.
... Either you should implement the SHOULD or give a reason why
not.
... Other behavior is willfully unhelpful and we don't have to
explicitly outlaw that.
<fyergeau> RFC 2119: "SHOULD This word, or the adjective "RECOMMENDED", mean that there
<fyergeau> may exist valid reasons in particular circumstances to ignore a
<fyergeau> particular item, but the full implications must be understood and
<fyergeau> carefully weighed before choosing a different course."
DV: I think if you don't do "onRequest", you can't do "onLoad" instead.
Norm: I think I'd say something
like, if you don't do onRequest (and you have a good reason for
not doing so), you might just display "Text" without making it
a link. I don't think there's any justification that would
allow you to ignore the onRequest and treat it as onLoad.
... Or at the very least, you better be able to say why.
Richard: I'm not sure I agree,
you might have some really good reasons for the proposed
behavior (a device with no input capability, for example)
... Though I'm not sure that's sensible behavior...
Henry: With respect to the PERs,
we opened a comment period got on the order of a dozen reviews,
all positive.
... One pointed out a few things we'd noticed ourselves and
agreed to fix.
... PLH sent mail to Steve asking for permission to publish
without a call.
... We're waiting to hear from Steve; PLH will chase.
... Our original date was yesterday, which obviously didn't
happen.
... We need four complete drafts in place (from Richard and
Francois) and a press release which the Team is working
on.
... Richard and Francois, can you get drafts dated 8 August in
place?
Richard: Not likely.
... I won't be able to do anything until about 5 August so 8
August isn't a good choice.
Henry: Ok. We'll have to ask for a new date.
Richard: Incidentally, I did notice Konrad's message and I'll add his fixes to the list
Francois: I've just started
preparing the documents, but I'm not ready yet. After 8 August
should be doable.
... Paul's actions included DoC and I don't know if I'm
supposed to do that, and if yes, it's not clear what comments
should go in there.
Henry: That must be stale actions from before the PER decisions.
See above.
DV: I haven't had a chance to finish my action yet.
Henry: In the charter being
drafted, there are two deliverables:
... Recommendations for XLink 1.1 and C14N 1.1
... and at the moment the milestones show July 2006 for XLink
1.1 and October 2006 for C14N.
... For XLink 1.1 there are PR and REC dates for July and
September.
... What do we propose?
Norm: I propose September and December
Henry: For C14N, the dates are
June and months thereafter
... I would think that we could go to September for FPWD
... Are we going to need to differentiate between FPWD and LC
draft?
Glenn: If it was purely something
from the Core WG, I'd probably hesitate. But given that we have
invited expertise, I'm much more comfortable so I think we
could go out with a LC first.
... I think we could have that by September.
Henry: I propose: September '06 for FPWD which is LC, October '06 for CR, ...
Some discussion of implementations
Henry: Ok, we need a two month CR then and we should be working on getting implementations lined up sooner rather than later.
Glenn: We need two impl, right?
Henry: Yes.
Proposed: September for LC, October for CR, December for PR, and February '07 for REC
August 2 CANCELLED. Next meeting is August 9
Regrets: Konrad for 9 August.
Adjourned.