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Agenda for XML Core WG telcon of 2005 May 4

From: Paul Grosso <pgrosso@arbortext.com>
Date: Mon, 2 May 2005 09:35:12 -0400
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To: <public-xml-core-wg@w3.org>
Cc: "Rich Salz" <rsalz@datapower.com>

We have an XML Core WG phone call scheduled for Wednesday, 
May 4, from
          08:00-09:00 Pacific time aka
          11:00-12:00 Eastern time aka
          15:00-16:00 UTC
          16:00-17:00 in Ireland and the UK
          17:00-18:00 in middle (most of) Europe
on the Zakim W3C Bridge, +1 617 761 6200, passcode 9652#.
We also use IRC channel #xmlcore on irc.w3.org:6665 .

See the XML Core group page [1] for pointers to current documents
and other information.  If you have additions to the agenda, please
email them to the WG list before the start of the telcon.

Please also review our group page's task list [2] for accuracy and
completeness and be prepared to amend if necessary and accept it
at the beginning of the call.

*                                                           *
* We will take agenda items 10 (with Rich Salz attending)   *
* and 11 first (after administrivia) in this week's telcon. *
*                                                           *

1. Accepting the minutes from the last telcon [3] and
   the current task status [2] (have any questions, comments,
   or corrections ready by the beginning of the call).

2. Miscellaneous administrivia and document reviews.

The new XML Core WG charter has been approved.
The Call for Participation is out, and everyone on the WG
has to have their AC rep submit their name as a member in
the rechartered WG by May 20th:

Richard reviewed the 
XPath 2.0/XQuery 1.0 Data Model document that is at:  
Richard's review is at:

There is also an issue about what the types are in the data model:
the schema types or another system that is similar.  Henry and
Richard point out the type hierarchy in this data model spec
is not quite the same as in the XML Schema spec.

ACTION to Richard:  Augment the earlier email with respect
to the above issue and send them in as XML Core WG comments.

3.  XLink update.

The first WD of XLink 1.1 has been published:

The Issues/DoC list is at:

4. XML errata.  The published 1.0 errata document is [8], the
   published 1.1 errata document is [9], and the new (public)
   Potential Errata (PE) document is [7]. 

We had a question about the XML Test Suite arise; see

Awaiting response from Richard.

5. Namespaces in XML.

Richard suggested we take NS 1.1 and revert the two 
substantive changes (IRI and undeclared namespaces) 
to create NS 1.0 2nd Ed. The WG has consensus to do 
that, and we got approval from the team to do so.

Ongoing ACTION to Richard:  Produce a draft for NS1.0 2nd Ed.

We note that the IRI spec is now finished-RFC 3987-so 
we have to issue an erratum for NS 1.1 for this.  We
discussed some details of this under the XLink discussion:
Briefly, 3987 does have some wording (the "MAY" paragraph) 
about what used to be called unwise characters.  For the 
NS 1.1 erratum, the MAY paragraph doesn't apply since 
namespace names cannot have the unwise characters.  (The 
MAY paragraph will be needed for XML 1.* system identifiers.)

ACTION to Richard:  Process an erratum to NS 1.1 to
refer to RFC 3987: http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc3987.txt

6. Xinclude Rec was published 2004 December 30 at:

Our XInclude potential errata document is at:

for our PE document which is awaiting updating by DV.

ACTION to DV:  Update the XInclude PE document with the resolutions.

7. xml:id.

The CR was published (2005 Feb 8) at

The (public) xml:id LC issues is at:
The LC DoC is at:
Our implementation report is at
We have a test suite cover page at

Norm sent some email at
and a sample of his implementation feedback at

Richard put his implementation report at

Richard had some questions on Norm's latest test suite.

On the last test, Norm fails because XSLT can't do it.
Norm gets a space in it that shouldn't be there.  When
Richard runs it, he gets the empty string for the result.

ACTION to Norm:  Investigate what should happen on this
last test.

ACTION to DV:  Run your implementation on the 
test suite and produce some feedback report.

We discussed changing wording about errors so that an xml-id
processor doesn't need to report errors *to the application*.

In Section 6 Errors, we currently say:

  A violation of the constraints in this specification
  results in an xml:id error. Such errors are not fatal,
  but must be reported by the xml:id processor to the
  application invoking it.

ACTION to Richard:  Suggest some rewording for this and
pass it by ERH.

Paul sent email to the CSS WG about xml:id:
and there have been a couple responses.

8.  Associating stylesheets--awaiting TAG action.

Henry noticed that the HTML CG has run into the same issue.
There is an interaction between media types and secondary
resource, and there appears to be no consensus on the HTML CG
as to what should be the case.

Henry asked the HTML CG if they felt this issue should be
taken to the TAG, but Henry isn't getting a single voice 
out of the HTML CG.  He will continue to work on this.

ACTION to Henry:  Continue to see if this issue should
be brought to the TAG.

9.  absolutivity of [base URI]
    Norm has asked a question about the absolutivity of [base URI]:

We discussed this at our f2f:

We have CONSENSUS that base URIs are always absolute. 

Then we had a further issue about base URIs in the infoset.

Richard sent email to www-tag on this:

ACTION to Richard:  Review the responses.

10.  XML Validity and DTD dependence.
  Rich Saltz started the discussion at
and there have been several sub-threads.  

Paul has invited Rich to this week's telcon.

11.  XInclude, schema validity-assessment, xml:base and xml:lang

Henry kicked this off at:
We didn't discuss this topic much ourselves, but Norm and Henry 
both lean toward making it an issue for the XML Schema WG, so we 
are waiting to hear from them.

We will take this near the beginning of the call next week
so that we have more time to discuss it.  People should read
the above URL before the telcon.


[1] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core
[2] http://www.w3.org/XML/Group/Core#tasks
[3] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xml-core-wg/2005Apr/0090
[8] http://www.w3.org/XML/xml-V10-3e-errata
[9] http://www.w3.org/XML/xml-V11-1e-errata
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