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RE: FW: XInclude use case for Device Independence

From: T. V. Raman <tvraman@us.ibm.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2004 08:09:44 -0800
Message-ID: <16841.40008.86703.110079@bubbles.almaden.ibm.com>
To: Rotan.Hanrahan@MobileAware.com
Cc: tvraman@almaden.ibm.com, daniel@veillard.com, Norman.Walsh@Sun.COM, public-xml-core-wg@w3.org


we've found many places in XForms where we would be able to do
things a lot easier with respect to superfluous syntactic sugar
if AVTs were available. At one point I even proposed that XForms
like XSLT use AVTs; however we put that off because we too felt
it was hard to implement by ourselves.



>>>>> "Rotan" == Rotan Hanrahan <Rotan.Hanrahan@MobileAware.com> writes:
    Rotan> +1 from me.  My previous email presented just such a
    Rotan> "syntactic sugar". While this would certainly be sweet
    Rotan> for us, the fact that many other groups may be looking
    Rotan> for similar functionality suggests that the best place
    Rotan> for this is in the core itself. As I can only give the
    Rotan> view of DI, perhaps a survey of other groups where
    Rotan> this issue has appeared (in various guises) would be
    Rotan> worthwhile.
    Rotan> 
    Rotan> ---Rotan
    Rotan> 
    Rotan> -----Original Message----- From: T. V. Raman
    Rotan> [mailto:tvraman@us.ibm.com] Sent: 22 December 2004
    Rotan> 15:16 To: daniel@veillard.com Cc:
    Rotan> tvraman@almaden.ibm.com; Rotan Hanrahan;
    Rotan> Norman.Walsh@Sun.COM; public-xml-core-wg@w3.org
    Rotan> Subject: Re: FW: XInclude use case for Device
    Rotan> Independence
    Rotan> 
    Rotan> 
    Rotan> 
    Rotan> Daniel -- I agree it's not easy.
    Rotan> 
    Rotan> However, in the absence of something consistent like
    Rotan> this, everyone is being forced to define special
    Rotan> syntactic sugar and special rules in each of their XML
    Rotan> vocabularies to essentially achieve the same effect.
    Rotan> 
    Rotan> 
    >>>>>> "Daniel" == Daniel Veillard <daniel@veillard.com>
    >>>>>> writes:
    Daniel> On Tue, Dec 21, 2004 at 08:23:17AM -0800, T. V. Raman
    Daniel> wrote:
    >>> In general, having the ability to use AVTs (Attribute
    >>> Value Templates) anywhere in XML -- rather than just in
    >>> XSLT would be a huge win for a lot of use cases.
    Daniel> 
    Daniel> Hum, AVTs are an escaping meachnism. That would mean
    Daniel> you need to define when/where that escaping need to
    Daniel> be undone and define XPath for anywhere in the
    Daniel> document, there is arbitrary set of informations
    Daniel> (like the prefix mappings, variables, current node
    Daniel> set, position, ...)  that would need to be
    Daniel> defined. It doesn't sound that easy to me :-)
    Daniel> 
    Daniel> Daniel
    Daniel> 
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    Rotan> 
    Rotan> -- Best Regards, --raman
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Best Regards,
--raman
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