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Re: XHTML 1.1 (Feb 2007 WD) as text/html?

From: Mark Birbeck <mark.birbeck@formsPlayer.com>
Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2007 11:43:45 +0100
Message-ID: <a707f8300710020343w40c41930y7c5b60d919cdc402@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Shane McCarron" <shane@aptest.com>
Cc: "olivier Thereaux" <ot@w3.org>, "XHTML WG" <public-xhtml2@w3.org>

Hi Shane,

I hope that you are only just arriving home after a wild night out. :)

I'll also take a look in the minutes and on the lists, but if you come
across those references before I do, please let me know. Thanks.

Regards,

Mark

On 02/10/2007, Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com> wrote:
> The resolution of the working group was that we needed to continue to
> say that XHTML-M12N based markup languages, including XHTML 1.1, SHOULD
> be served as application/xhtml+xml - we do not prohibit their being
> served other ways.  There was a discussion at the f2f in Cannes about
> changing this to text/html, and a draft was produced that said that.
> However, there were many strong objections to it and the working group
> instructed me to change it back.  I am sure I could find the references,
> but its like 5 AM here and I am not at the top of my game.
>
> Mark Birbeck wrote:
> > Hi Shane,
> >
> > My memory of this discussion is that we came down the other. :) I.e.,
> > we decided _against_ the enforcement of a media type of
> > 'application/xhtml+xml', and supported allowing people to use
> > 'text/html'.
> >
> > In my view there is little to gain from insisting on an XML media type
> > for XHTML. MIME types have been increasingly hijacked over the years
> > to designate a preferred processing application, rather than a
> > document type. This isn't likely to change any time soon, so we might
> > as well live with it. In which case it would be far better to leave
> > the 'processing application' designation as 'an HTML or XHTML
> > renderer' (i.e., as 'text/html'), and leave it up to authors and
> > publishing systems to indicate the _document type_ through other
> > mechanisms (such as DOCTYPE, @xmlns, @profile, or whatever techniques
> > can be devised).
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > On 02/10/2007, Shane McCarron <shane@aptest.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Note that there are updated drafts of ALL XHTML Working Group specs
> >> available via http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Drafts.
> >>
> >> Yes, that text has been changed.  See, for example,
> >> http://www.w3.org/MarkUp/2007/ED-xhtml11-20070416/conformance.html#strict
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> olivier Thereaux wrote:
> >>
> >>> (apologies, had originally mailed the wrong list)
> >>>
> >>> Hello, XHTML WG,
> >>>
> >>> Could you tell the status of this paragraph in the XHTML 1.1 spec? The
> >>> latest working draft (Feb 2007... getting old) states that XHTML 1.1
> >>> SHOULD be served as text/html (or app/xhtml+xml) and this is confusing
> >>> people.
> >>>
> >>> I think I recall a message from Shane saying this was a typo, but could
> >>> not find it in either www-html-editor (could only find a few reports
> >>> of the issue, but no answer from the WG), nor in www-html, nor in
> >>> www-validator where I thought this had been raised. Other echoes I got
> >>> seem to show this was actually on purpose.
> >>>
> >>> Is there any public record of what will happen to this statement in the
> >>> next draft?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>> -- olivier
> >>>
> >>> ----- Forwarded message from Rado Faletic <rado.faletic@anu.edu.au> -----
> >>>
> >>> From: Rado Faletic <rado.faletic@anu.edu.au>
> >>> To: www-validator@w3.org
> >>> X-Archived-At:
> >>> http://www.w3.org/mid/AB7951B9-369C-4F87-862A-95C110BE1691@anu.edu.au
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> note that in the XHTML1.1 working draft (16 Feb 2007) it says the
> >>> following:
> >>> XHTML 1.1 documents SHOULD be labeled with the Internet Media Type
> >>> text/html as defined in [RFC2854] or application/xhtml+xml as defined
> >>> in [RFC3236].
> >>>
> >>> [snip]
> >>>
> >>> ----- End Forwarded Message -----
> >>>
> >>>
> >> --
> >> Shane P. McCarron                          Phone: +1 763 786-8160 x120
> >> Managing Director                            Fax: +1 763 786-8180
> >> ApTest Minnesota                            Inet: shane@aptest.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Shane P. McCarron                          Phone: +1 763 786-8160 x120
> Managing Director                            Fax: +1 763 786-8180
> ApTest Minnesota                            Inet: shane@aptest.com
>
>
>


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