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Re: Identity interoperability

From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2012 09:46:16 -0500
Message-ID: <50A25D38.7040402@openlinksw.com>
To: public-xg-webid@w3.org
On 11/13/12 9:36 AM, Henry Story wrote:
>
> On 13 Nov 2012, at 15:11, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com 
> <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote:
>
>> On 11/13/12 7:44 AM, Melvin Carvalho wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 13 November 2012 13:28, Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com 
>>> <mailto:kidehen@openlinksw.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     On 11/13/12 6:43 AM, Henry Story wrote:
>>>
>>>         Hi as promised during our last teleconf [1] I put together
>>>         an Identity Interoperability wiki page
>>>
>>>         http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/Identity_Interoperability
>>>
>>>         This is the beginning of something that could end up
>>>         becoming a very large project, so it is
>>>         clearly just a beginning, with some initial pointers.
>>>
>>>              Henry
>>>
>>>         [1] http://www.w3.org/2012/11/09-webid-minutes.html
>>>
>>>         Social Web Architect
>>>         http://bblfish.net/
>>>
>>>
>>>     Great Wiki doc!
>>>
>>>     OpenID is based on XRD documents, you can make whatever claim
>>>     you want via the content of said document type.
>>>
>>>     Example:
>>>     http://linkeddata.informatik.hu-berlin.de/uridbg/index.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fkingsley.idehen.net%2Fods%2Fdescribe%3Furi%3Dacct%3Akidehen%40openlinksw.com&useragentheader=&acceptheader=
>>>     .
>>>
>>>
>>> Nice page!
>>>
>>> So the "principle" in OpenID terms would be the "subject", in this 
>>> case acct:kidehen@openlinksw.com 
>>> <mailto:acct%3Akidehen@openlinksw.com> using webfinger?
>> Yes.
>>
>> 'Principal' and 'Subject' are synonyms re., terminology used to 
>> denote what an identity claims graph describes.
>
> I don't think so.
>
> In Java the class Subject is reserved for the collection of all the 
> different principals that have been proven refer to an agent.

This isn't about Java.

I am the Subject of my X.509 certificate. Ditto my FOAF profile 
document. In both cases, I am also the principal. In both cases I can 
denote myself using a URI.

> I think therefore that subject is the thing identified by any 
> principal, not the string that is the principal.

I didn't say anything about strings/literals.

>  Subject is I think widely understood to be the subject of a 
> connection, the agent itself. Principal is a very technical term, 
> which I use here to identify the string identifier itself.

Principal is used across many protocols (CardDAV, CalDAV, many others) 
and it means the identity of some entity that can be authenticated.
>
>
> I have defined Principal much more carefully here
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/Identity_Interoperability#logical_relationships_of_principals

I'll take a look. But it's best to use these terms in line with usage 
elsewhere.

Random excerpt from vCard extensions spec [1]:

" Support for creating address books on the server is only RECOMMENDED
    and not REQUIRED because some address book stores only support one
    address book per user (or *principal*), and those are typically pre-
    created for each account."


The term 'User' denotes an entity that a system would need to verify .

Links:

1. http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6352#section-7.1


Kingsley


>
>
>
>>
>> Kingsley
>>>
>>>
>>>     -- 
>>>
>>>     Regards,
>>>
>>>     Kingsley Idehen
>>>     Founder & CEO
>>>     OpenLink Software
>>>     Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com <http://www.openlinksw.com/>
>>>     Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
>>>     <http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/%7Ekidehen>
>>>     Twitter/Identi.ca <http://Identi.ca> handle: @kidehen
>>>     Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about
>>>     LinkedIn Profile: http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Kingsley Idehen	
>> Founder & CEO
>> OpenLink Software
>> Company Web:http://www.openlinksw.com
>> Personal Weblog:http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
>> Twitter/Identi.ca  <http://Identi.ca>  handle: @kidehen
>> Google+ Profile:https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about
>> LinkedIn Profile:http://www.linkedin.com/in/kidehen
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> Social Web Architect
> http://bblfish.net/
>


-- 

Regards,

Kingsley Idehen	
Founder & CEO
OpenLink Software
Company Web: http://www.openlinksw.com
Personal Weblog: http://www.openlinksw.com/blog/~kidehen
Twitter/Identi.ca handle: @kidehen
Google+ Profile: https://plus.google.com/112399767740508618350/about
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