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Re: Thankyou for saving my sanity...

From: Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2012 05:05:07 +0100
Cc: Peter Williams <home_pw@msn.com>, "<j.jakobitsch@semantic-web.at>" <j.jakobitsch@semantic-web.at>, "public-xg-webid@w3.org" <public-xg-webid@w3.org>
Message-Id: <61481F22-0E51-49BB-9EFA-782E70CB6E7F@bblfish.net>
To: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>

On 7 Jan 2012, at 23:59, Kingsley Idehen wrote:

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> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jan 7, 2012, at 5:28 PM, Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net> wrote:
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>> On 7 Jan 2012, at 23:16, Peter Williams wrote:
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>>> So I did it on my "programmers" web site- where Im acting unconsumer-like (built a special purpose web app).
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>>> And, on my blogspot account, I added the meta-link to the template. But, AS A CONSUMER i cannot set the content type (of a server).
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>>> So here we have a conundrum.
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>>> The ONLY THING THAT MAKES RDFa viable "politically" is that it works in the crappy web as-is (used by 1 or 2 billion folks). It doesnt need web upgrade, or powers that the typical consumer does not have. it is supposed to work with everyone's HTML editor (even one 10 years old) uploading to an 10 year old web endpoint.
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>> In a few months there will be both rdfa 1.1 that is well defined in html, and a well formed semantics for micro data which is also an html5 technology. I am told that both are very similar, and for some simple substitutions micro data is rdfa too.
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>> So here you have to be a bit patient. I think you can serve what you have as html just make sure you close tags <span></span> and that you don't use the xhtml version of <span/> .  You are living a little more on the bleeding edge here, so it's just a question of being a little bit more careful.
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> And we pretend Microdara doesn't exist , right?

No, I did not say that. I said we wait a bit for the dust to settle and the standards to be finished. Or Peter finds a way to put the xhtml mime type up.  We are working here for a standards body, so why should we be ignoring standards? For the moment the standard of microdata to rdf is not finished, and neither is RDFa . Both are pretty much the same: they are unfinished. So we don't pick a winner. 

Peter was expressing a FEAR that this would never work. So I tried to answer his FEARt .

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> Kingsley
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>>> Now, we have broken that rule, by requiring something other than text/html.
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>>> Now, as as consumer, I have no choice but to subscribe to a SEMWEB-SPECIFIC identity management system (like ODS). I cannot just use a web page.
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>>> Now, Im torn. For CONFORMANCE TESTING (and debugging), I dont mind such literalism. For products, I expect product to back off, insisting on only 80% compliance (trading off security, correctness for perfect compliance). I expect product to do that which works (even if the engineering quality goes down a bit).
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>>> > Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 22:25:47 +0100
>>> > From: j.jakobitsch@semantic-web.at
>>> > To: home_pw@msn.com
>>> > CC: public-xg-webid@w3.org
>>> > Subject: Re: Thankyou for saving my sanity...
>>> > 
>>> > hi again,
>>> > 
>>> > you now have "application/xhtml+xml" in a meta-tag [1] like so 
>>> > <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="application/xhtml+xml;charset=utf-8"/>
>>> > 
>>> > this is very good, but only half the way.
>>> > you need to set a header also, currently your page presents itself to the parser still as text/html.
>>> > 
>>> > in a jsp i do 
>>> > 
>>> > <%@page contentType="application/xhtml+xml"%>
>>> > 
>>> > wkr j
>>> > 
>>> > [1] http://idweb.cloudapp.net:8080/Home/About
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Jürgen Jakobitsch" <j.jakobitsch@semantic-web.at>
>>> > To: "Peter Williams" <home_pw@msn.com>
>>> > Cc: public-xg-webid@w3.org
>>> > Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 1:35:12 AM
>>> > Subject: Re: Thankyou for saving my sanity...
>>> > 
>>> > hi peter,
>>> > 
>>> > one more thing :
>>> > 
>>> > for 12 points, you should change the content-type of your rdfa-profile to application/xhtml+xml, see here [1],
>>> > i did the same with my testing-rdfa-profile [2] today.
>>> > 
>>> > at this point of time, webIDRealm uses the rdfa parser, when the content-type is text/html or application/xhtml+xml,
>>> > but i might/will change this to only application/xhtml+xml.
>>> > 
>>> > wkr j
>>> > 
>>> > [1] http://www.w3.org/2006/07/SWD/RDFa/testsuite/
>>> > [2] http://2sea.org/sea.jsp#j
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > From: "Peter Williams" <home_pw@msn.com>
>>> > To: "j jakobitsch" <j.jakobitsch@semantic-web.at>, public-xg-webid@w3.org
>>> > Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 12:48:31 AM
>>> > Subject: Thankyou for saving my sanity...
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > http://tinyurl.com/7luhnnv
>>> > 
>>> > Your debug output gave the clue, and W3C validator did the rest.
>>> > 
>>> > All along it was a &, vs an "&amp;"
>>> > 
>>> > not only is there name/address duality, there is duality of encodings of meta-characters in the meta documents descirbing resources, bearing addresses that may be names (or not).
>>> > 
>>> > --
>>> > | Jürgen Jakobitsch,
>>> > | Software Developer
>>> > | Semantic Web Company GmbH
>>> > | Mariahilfer Straße 70 / Neubaugasse 1, Top 8
>>> > | A - 1070 Wien, Austria
>>> > | Mob +43 676 62 12 710 | Fax +43.1.402 12 35 - 22
>>> > 
>>> > COMPANY INFORMATION
>>> > | http://www.semantic-web.at/
>>> > 
>>> > PERSONAL INFORMATION
>>> > | web : http://www.turnguard.com
>>> > | foaf : http://www.turnguard.com/turnguard
>>> > | skype : jakobitsch-punkt
>>> > 
>>> > -- 
>>> > | Jürgen Jakobitsch, 
>>> > | Software Developer
>>> > | Semantic Web Company GmbH
>>> > | Mariahilfer Straße 70 / Neubaugasse 1, Top 8
>>> > | A - 1070 Wien, Austria
>>> > | Mob +43 676 62 12 710 | Fax +43.1.402 12 35 - 22
>>> > 
>>> > COMPANY INFORMATION
>>> > | http://www.semantic-web.at/
>>> > 
>>> > PERSONAL INFORMATION
>>> > | web : http://www.turnguard.com
>>> > | foaf : http://www.turnguard.com/turnguard
>>> > | skype : jakobitsch-punkt
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