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Re: Marketing troubles - workable WebID profile generators

From: Jürgen Jakobitsch <j.jakobitsch@semantic-web.at>
Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2011 12:24:51 +0200 (CEST)
To: Andrei Sambra <andrei@fcns.eu>
Cc: public-xg-webid@w3.org
Message-ID: <f80270b4-33b6-4b5b-bb8f-0017f137a40c@zcs>
hi andrei,

i was just about to type on fcns's wall...

your services are working great, thanks!
i am especially thankful for being able to delete my profile, that's not common these days and greatly appreciated!
i personally am totally fine with editing the profile in a text box, but non-coders might do some wrong of course..


for debugging : the "common name" in my new certificate doesn't display umlauts correctly.

wkr turnguard.com/turnguard

----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrei Sambra" <andrei@fcns.eu>
To: public-xg-webid@w3.org
Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 12:12:29 PM
Subject: Re: Marketing troubles - workable WebID profile generators

Hi,

I'm the person responsible for webid.fcns.eu, and I would like to thank 
you for bringing forward the issues you had with this endpoint. I will 
try to fix them asap, as well as to improve a little the interface (at 
least to editing profiles less painful).

Best wishes,
Andrei

On 09/28/2011 11:46 AM, Jürgen Jakobitsch wrote:
> one more remark for info :
>
> there is an encoding issue with (at least) german umlauts @ http://webid.fcns.eu/
> when i curl my foaf-uri, accepting rdf+xml everything is fine, but in the certificate
> the umlauts are messed up.
>
> wkr turnguard.com/turnguard
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jürgen Jakobitsch"<j.jakobitsch@semantic-web.at>
> To: "Henry Story"<henry.story@bblfish.net>
> Cc: public-xg-webid@w3.org, "Helmut Nagy"<h.nagy@semantic-web.at>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:43:56 AM
> Subject: Re: Marketing troubles - workable WebID profile generators
>
> hi henry, thanks for your answer and work in generell.
>
> we will communicate this page [1] for creating
> foaf-uris and webids now.
>
> i just tested it and it works. only remark :
>
> it also creates the cert#hex as a predicate and not as a datatype.
> i have already implemented a (still to be improved) workaround in webIDRealm for that special case
> which should now work with foaf.me and fcns.eu generated foaf-profiles
>
> wkr turnguard.com/turnguard
>
> [1] http://webid.fcns.eu/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Henry Story"<henry.story@bblfish.net>
> To: "Jürgen Jakobitsch"<j.jakobitsch@semantic-web.at>
> Cc: public-xg-webid@w3.org, "Helmut Nagy"<h.nagy@semantic-web.at>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2011 11:28:32 AM
> Subject: Re: Marketing troubles - workable WebID profile generators
>
>
> On 28 Sep 2011, at 10:51, Jürgen Jakobitsch wrote:
>
>> hi all,
>>
>> as you know our company set up a demo server of our main product (PoolParty Thesaurus Server)
>> which is protected by webID.
>> now we some people very interested in the technology and who would like to test things.
>> problem is, believe it or not, these guys are from the not-so-tech-savvy front and
>> do not have access to their own root server, which means they are not simply able to
>> create or change their foaf-profile and therefor rely on foaf generators like foaf.me [1]
>> or myxwiki [2].
>> now unfortunately we are experiencing troubles with these sites, so any help is really appreciated.
>>
>> foaf.me
>>
>> 1. if you create a foaf-profile there's no way to edit it
>> 2. especially so, if you create a foaf-profile without webID, there's no way to log in at all
>> 3. nobody reacts to mails, is it a dead mailing list?
>
> Yes, I think that is probably very much in its last stages. It never really evolved beyond what it was 4 years ago as far as I can tell. A major problem is that it allows people to edit the xml, which of course is a no go as far as ease of use goes.
>
>> myxwiki
>>
>> 1. only creates rdfa, ok i'll write a parser or check if sesame has one to use, but availability of application/rdf+xml would be highly appreciated
>> 2. the rdfa created doesn't seem right.
>>    using this parser [3], i get triples that are not really ok,
>>    have a try with this foaf-URI [4], try with and without #me
>
> Yes, you are quite right. That produces WebID profiles that use the deprecated ontology.
> I put that together 1 and a half years ago quickly. I could try to update it, but I am not sure I will have time
> in the near future (even if it should not take a lot of time, it's perhaps a few hours for me to remember how that whole system works, and things may have evolved a lot in the xwiki platform) I'd rather work on a better version using my branch of http://clerezza.org/ on http://github.com/bblfish/clerezza.
>
> The best work recently put together was the server at http://webid.fcns.eu/ by Andrei Sambra.
>
> That has a nice user interface, has a test suite and works.
>
> Things can still be improved a lot in my view as far as user interfaces go. We are only at the very beginning here. And because the benefits of WebID pivots around ease of use, I must say that we still don't have demos that do it full justice.
>
>>
>>
>> both of the above services write the rsa public key resource slightly different that i have it in my profile [5]
>> but one has to adapt the foaf-profile parser to find the publickey-string.
>> which one is the right one?
>>
>> version one (datatype=cert#hex):
>>
>> <rdf:Description>
>>   <rdf:type rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/ns/auth/rsa#RSAPublicKey"/>
>>   <cert:identity rdf:resource="http://www.turnguard.com/turnguard"/>
>>   <rsa:modulus rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/ns/auth/cert#hex">
>>     bc 6d c4 be c2 a8 9a 3b 72 cf 31 74 e6 a3 d9 89
>>     7e bd fc e5 bb 43 39 4d 85 cf 1e ad e4 b1 a7 83....
>
> This is the new accepted way to do it, and this is how the examples should be written out in the spec.
>
>>
>> version two (cert#hex is a predicate)
>>
>> <rsa:RSAPublicKey>
>>   <rsa:modulus>
>>    <rdf:Description>
>>     <cert:hex rdf:datatype="http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#string">
>>      b549fda19426d73c7b4b486ce50de7c10cbd89cac7ba39c5bf37a0465df5
>>      e4e181211d8f7ea1432b0a1afb440c1d1e7f994cddfe05dcadd10e083be9
>
> It is worth supporting this way too, for backward compatibility. You can see the code that I use
> in Scala here:
>
> https://github.com/bblfish/clerezza/blob/bblfish/parent/platform.security.foafssl/core/src/main/scala/org/apache/clerezza/foafssl/auth/WebIDClaim.scala
>
> or in Java using SPARQL, which I think ends up being easier to read:
>
> https://github.com/bblfish/foafssl-java/blob/master/foafssl-verifier-sesame/src/main/java/net/java/dev/sommer/foafssl/sesame/verifier/SesameFoafSslVerifier.java
>
>
>> we seriously would like to spread the word about webID and help growing the community,
>> also to world of decision makers who are interested. i guess a refactoring of the services around our topic would certainly help.
>
> thanks a lot.
>
> What would be great is if you could give people who have profiles on your system a WebId too. We just need more WebID generators and more competition and presentation ideas.
>
>
>>
>> any pointer, help or comment greatly appreciated
>> wkr http://www.turnguard.com/turnguard
>>
>> [1] http://foaf.me
>> [2] http://webid.myxwiki.org/
>> [3] http://www.w3.org/2007/08/pyRdfa/
>> [4] http://webid.myxwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/XWiki/nagyhel#me
>> [5] http://www.turnguard.com/turnguard
>>
>>
>> --
>> | Jürgen Jakobitsch,
>> | Software Developer
>> | Semantic Web Company GmbH
>> | Mariahilfer Straße 70 / Neubaugasse 1, Top 8
>> | A - 1070 Wien, Austria
>> | Mob +43 676 62 12 710 | Fax +43.1.402 12 35 - 22
>>
>> COMPANY INFORMATION
>> | http://www.semantic-web.at/
>>
>> PERSONAL INFORMATION
>> | web   : http://www.turnguard.com
>> | foaf  : http://www.turnguard.com/turnguard
>> | skype : jakobitsch-punkt
>>
>
> Social Web Architect
> http://bblfish.net/
>
>
>
> --
> | Jürgen Jakobitsch,
> | Software Developer
> | Semantic Web Company GmbH
> | Mariahilfer Straße 70 / Neubaugasse 1, Top 8
> | A - 1070 Wien, Austria
> | Mob +43 676 62 12 710 | Fax +43.1.402 12 35 - 22
>
> COMPANY INFORMATION
> | http://www.semantic-web.at/
>
> PERSONAL INFORMATION
> | web   : http://www.turnguard.com
> | foaf  : http://www.turnguard.com/turnguard
> | skype : jakobitsch-punkt
>


-- 
| Jürgen Jakobitsch, 
| Software Developer
| Semantic Web Company GmbH
| Mariahilfer Straße 70 / Neubaugasse 1, Top 8
| A - 1070 Wien, Austria
| Mob +43 676 62 12 710 | Fax +43.1.402 12 35 - 22

COMPANY INFORMATION
| http://www.semantic-web.at/

PERSONAL INFORMATION
| web   : http://www.turnguard.com
| foaf  : http://www.turnguard.com/turnguard
| skype : jakobitsch-punkt
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