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Re: long term webid of peter, contrary to rumour

From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:31:50 -0500
Message-ID: <4EC02936.1050605@openlinksw.com>
To: public-xg-webid@w3.org
On 11/13/11 4:48 AM, Henry Story wrote:
> On 13 Nov 2011, at 01:52, Peter Williams wrote:
>
>> atyorkporc.wordpress.com <http://yorkporc.wordpress.com/>ive hosted 
>> on the blog's front page the site's contact page (fromwordpress.com 
>> <http://wordpress.com/>). It has in HTML the kind of information 
>> normally shown in a foaf card. it has my long term webid, hosted on 
>> an opera unite endpoint. Its not a foaf card like others and neither 
>> is the endpoint (being only available when I am online).
>
> That's ok. As the spec points out ( 
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/spec/ ) all that is required 
> for WebID is the publication of the public key at that endpoint with 
> some RDF markup. (btw, we should perhaps add a link to the W3C how to 
> on publishing multiple formats in a content negated format)

Is it about publication of a public key with RDF markup? Is that the 
narrative? If it is, then be up front about it as I am tired of cycling 
this RDF wagon re. the problem it introduces, unnecessarily.

If this is an RDF only solution, say so, and stick to it. Then live with 
the consequences.

>
> I see that your WebID Profile Page - as it is called in the spec 
> section 2.3 - is in html. So I guess it's meant to be parsed as RDFa.
> The RDFa http://www.w3.org/2007/08/pyRdfa/ validation service seems to 
> only return a few URLs for your page.
>
> I don't see that you have specified any of the cert or rsa namespaces 
> so if you want to turn that into a WebID you do need to follow the 
> explanation here
>
> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/spec/#rdfa-html-notation
>
> If you find problems or unclarities in any aspect of the spec, please 
> explain which part of the text is unclear, and what wording you 
> suggest would help improve it.

You are talking syntax again. Can WebID not be discussed conceptually 
without syntax specificity? Is this impossible?

Kingsley
>
> Henry
>
>>
>> I happen to enforce more privacy than perhaps do most consumers 
>> (being a security type engineer who is experimenting with semantic 
>> web ideas, as they evolve). I know some folks want foaf cards as 
>> public data, cacheable by search engines and others maintaining huge 
>> triple stores. I dont. I want to assert my privacy expectations 
>> (becuase in the US, one has no rights until they are asserted - this 
>> being the way that social laws on privacy happen to be structured.) 
>> And I do this in ways that may not meet the idealized, 
>> academically-normalized semantic web concept, which assumes you have 
>> public documents that anyone can browse, cache, cite from, etc.
>>
>> Now
>>
>> does anyone know HOW to make a wordpress contact page embed either
>>
>> (1) an XML stream, coding up the xml-serializion of a foaf card (e.g. 
>> the output of foaf.me), or
>> (2) the RDFa of a foaf card.
>>
>> I cannot make either work.
>>
>> I seem to remember that one was supposed to be able to add  "XML data 
>> island" as a subelement in HTML (since XHTML is just an XML vocab). 
>> One is supposed to be able to embed RDFa tags in HTML elements too. 
>> Unfortunately, the wordpress site strips out what I add (refusing to 
>> host them). Ill guess that these are default safety options, that can 
>> be removed by those who know how.
>>
>> My wordpress blogsite is hosted by wordpress cloud service, not by me 
>> on a server (im not sufficient competent to run a production server). 
>> So, there may be less ability to change the configuration to offer 
>> RDFa and XML embedding, than a site one hosts on a private server.
>
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>


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