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Re: Important Question re. WebID Verifiers & Linked Data

From: Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net>
Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 17:49:39 +0100
Cc: public-xg-webid@w3.org
Message-Id: <B3096E6B-BE83-48C1-9279-D5A2550AAC33@bblfish.net>
To: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>

On 22 Dec 2011, at 17:31, Kingsley Idehen wrote:

> On 12/22/11 11:16 AM, Henry Story wrote:
>> On 22 Dec 2011, at 17:05, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>> 
>>> On 12/22/11 10:54 AM, Henry Story wrote:
>>>> On 22 Dec 2011, at 16:46, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>>> And has been worked through carefully.
>>>>> Microdata has been worked through also. Google has also ensured mass adoption. Please do some objective research re. Microdata and its adoption etc..
>>>> Well please help us with the objective research.
>>>> We have some info here:
>>>> 
>>>>  http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/wiki/WebID_by_examples
>>>> 
>>>> And I want to know how to map this to rdf. It looks like this is being specced,
>>>> so perhaps we should wait for that to be finished. See
>>>> 
>>>>   http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/66
>>> Why are you stalling?
>> It is not my understanding that is stalling, though you seem to imply it is.
>> 
>> This is a spec we are putting together now. So we have to be more formal about things.
>> My question is where is the mapping from micro formats to RDF?
> 
> And I am saying to you, repeatedly: RDF == EAV + URIs + semantics for typed literals and language tags + 118n.

Look that is cool marketing talk, and as such I think it is interesting in fact. But here
we are working on specs, and I'd like either a real GRDDL transform form micro data, or a
transofrmation function that reliably gives results, or at least a mapping into their semantics 
which maps into rdf. This is just so that we can be consistent. That is a starting point. Then
it needs to be reviewed, and accepted, people here can implement, and we can see how it works.
Then we spec. The wiki is here for putting down initial proposals. People who have implemented
can add their names to those proposals, and tell us about the issues they have. Then as it grows
we add it to the spec. Seems reasonable no?

> 
> You can express and serialize an eav/spo graph today using HTML + Microdata.

How do I know we have interoperated correctly?

> 
> What is GoodRelations about?



>>  Where is it specced out?
>> As I understand it specs always work by referring to existing established specs, not
>> by referring to future ones.
>> 
>> This spec seems to be in development
>>   https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/htmldata/raw-file/62761f79513a/microdata-rdf/index.html
>> 
>> it is not finished I think. Next do we all have tools to implement this?
>> 
>> 
>>> Please do some homework re. Microdata. Start with a simple Google lookup.
>> Please stop being so patronising.
> 
> You are forcing me to be *deliberately* patronizing. I don't understand why you are forcing inertia where it doesn't need to exist. Why introduce unnecessary politics into an effort that should be transcendent, by simply inheriting from the AWWW.

There is no inertia I see. We are progessing very well. WE have interoperable implementations. 

I'll try to stay a bit out of this discussion since the community here seems to be coming back into action. Note that 
the thread dies pretty much this summer when I argued with you that we should allow all formats in the hope this would
bring in micro data people to join us. They never came and our group stalled. So that is an indication to me that 
simplicity in the spec is important. There is a lot to learn already for all involved: Linked data, rdf semantics, TLS, HTTP

 

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> Links:
> 
> 1. http://ontolog.cim3.net/forum/ontolog-forum/2011-12/threads.html#00005 -- some insights about my concerns from a discussion thread about what's going on re. Microdata, RDF/XML history etc..
> 
> Kingsley
>> 
>> Henry
>> 
>>> Visit other mailing lists e.g. ontolog where the entire issue was thrashed out. Ping @danbri if all else fails re. comprehending the point I am getting very tired of making.
>>> 
>>> Kingsley
>>>> Henry
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Social Web Architect
>>>> http://bblfish.net/
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>>> Regards,
>>> 
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> Regards,
> 
> Kingsley Idehen	
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