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Re: Position Paper for W3C Workshop on Identity

From: Alexandre Passant <alexandre.passant@deri.org>
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 19:51:14 +0200
Cc: "Henry Story" <henry.story@bblfish.net>, "WebID XG" <public-xg-webid@w3.org>
Message-Id: <9FE8CBE3-9025-494A-B356-5FCB5F791259@deri.org>
To: jeff@sayremedia.com
Hi Jeff, all,

Agreed with all your statements, but in that case, imo, there should be more focus on the USP of WebID, and less on the technical side.
*What* can WebID offer, and *why* that's needed, rather than *how* (i.e. expanding the section 2, and maybe shortening 3)

m2c

Alex.


On 21 Apr 2011, at 19:07, Jeff Sayre wrote:

> One of the issues we faced in writing this paper is the 5-page maximum. As
> it stands, the document (if printed) is five-and-a-half pages right now.
> Therefore, we have no room to expand.
> 
> The singular purpose of this paper is to pique the interest of the
> committee that will choose the speakers. If we succeeded in doing that,
> then we hope that we will be offered an opportunity to present a 20-minute
> talk at the workshop. Assuming the WebID IG is offered such an
> opportunity, we will cover certain details that, out of necessity, we had
> to gloss over or simply leave out.

> 
> So, when analyzing the paper, the question should be, Does the position
> paper as it is currently written, present sufficient enticements to be
> offered a presentation slot?
> 
> Of course, we do need to make sure that we appropriately convey the
> advantages and power of WebID in our oral presentation. So any and all
> input is useful and appreciated!
> 
> BTW Henry, last night I uploaded a corrected graphic for the certificate
> picker screen. The most recent copy of our position paper on your site
> does not have that change.
> 
> Jeff
> 
>> 
>> On 21 Apr 2011, at 17:40, Henry Story wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 21 Apr 2011, at 16:56, Alexandre Passant wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hi Henry,
>>>> 
>>>> I've added some comments to the google doc yesterday, do you plan to
>>>> integrate them.
>>> 
>>> I was looking through the history of the google doc changes yesterday,
>>> but I can't find them. I think I saw them before, but my browsers
>>> currently don't show me anything in those diffs.
>>> 
>>>> I think we shall mention somewhere the ties between WebID and FOAF (or
>>>> any machine readable data about the WebID owner)
>>> 
>>> I do mention foaf once there. We don't have any space left there now I
>>> think.
>>> 
>>>> Since we're talking about identity, we shall mention that WebID allows
>>>> (1) a user to give some of its information to an application (where
>>>> s/he's authenticating) in a machine-readable form and
>>>> (2) an application (where someone logs in) to deliver some data based
>>>> on the identify and the attributes
>>>> 
>>>> Multiple advantages: fight spam, contextual information delivery,
>>>> personalisation etc.
>>> 
>>> Fighting spam is there in section 4.
>>> Does that cover what you were looking for?
>> 
>> Kind of, but I think there should be more emphasis on it (using the
>> previous combination) as part of section 3.
>> To me, the tie to a "machine readable profile" is a key advantage of WebID
>> that should be streghten here
>> 
>> Alex.
>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> m2c
>>>> 
>>>> Alex.
>>>> 
>>>> On 21 Apr 2011, at 12:51, Henry Story wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> New version with some changes:
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://bblfish.net/tmp/2011/04/21/
>>>>> 
>>>>> The old one is here
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://bblfish.net/tmp/2011/04/20/
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is there a web diff tool?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Henry
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 21 Apr 2011, at 11:26, Harry Halpin wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 04/21/2011 10:41 AM, Henry Story wrote:
>>>>>>> Harry, are videos allowed in a submission?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Btw. doing a good video is even more work that writing a good text
>>>>>>> out, as it requires excellence in an even larger set of media voice,
>>>>>>> music, film, writing.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Feel free to link to a video that you can show in your presentation.
>>>>>> The video cannot replace a position paper, which requires text.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> HOWEVER, if you do get a video in with your paper, we might make a
>>>>>> separate video part of the workshop homepage if enough people ping me
>>>>>> with video requests. We've had about 3 others say this before. The
>>>>>> idea would be people could watch the video before the workshop, to
>>>>>> help start a conversation ASAP.  We want people at the workshop
>>>>>> primed and ready to go.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Henry
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 21 Apr 2011, at 10:33, Alexandre Passant wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Links in the addendum or references sections or via anchored text,
>>>>>>>>> as per normal practice. If you have a live link, you negate the
>>>>>>>>> constraints of digital rendition of paper :-)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Since papers can be submitted in HTML, embedding a video is also an
>>>>>>>> option to make the case of WebID.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Alex.
>>>>>>> Social Web Architect
>>>>>>> http://bblfish.net/
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Social Web Architect
>>>>> http://bblfish.net/
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Social Web Architect
>>> http://bblfish.net/
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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