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Re: Meeting Mintes for: Agenda for WebID Teleconf, Monday 11 April 2011

From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2011 21:33:17 -0400
Message-ID: <4DA3ABDD.2030606@openlinksw.com>
To: Peter Williams <home_pw@msn.com>
CC: Henry Story <henry.story@bblfish.net>, WebID XG <public-xg-webid@w3.org>
On 4/11/11 7:31 PM, Peter Williams wrote:
> Does this mean that non-browser clients (eg word, excel) cannot use webids?
>
> Today, excel posts an HTML rendering of it's reports upto websites. Presumably, this is not in scope, now. It's not a use case this group is interested in standardizing.

It has to be in scope, question is how to enhance Excel via an extension 
to "Save As" that enables it write to ACL protected addresses via WebID. 
This is of major interested to me across all desktop productivity tools. 
Native applications remain important, mounting remote folders to 
operating systems via WebDAV is quite common practice.

Browsers are overrated, and part of the overall problem :-(

> Presumably, FTP clients doing ftps with certs with San Uris are also out of scope, as is the irc client (in opera) doing ssl client auth against commercial irc servers.

Not in my world view, of course not.

> Since folk want 1 cert to be multiapp, validators can do a head operation on the uri, to see if it is webid capable ( looking at the mime type). If it's not, pass by that uri in the San uri list (for webid purposes). If it is, then consult the rdf for even finer grain metadata on the uri.
>
> Similarly, an ftps/irc server - without webid querying capabilities - can figure which https Uris in the San  it can use (using non rdf-based de-referencing).

Existing tools are reading and writing data objects to and from 
Addresses. WebID based ACLs are important across the board :-)

Kingsley
>
> On Apr 11, 2011, at 2:12 PM, Henry Story<henry.story@bblfish.net>  wrote:
>
>> Minutes are here:
>>
>> The meeting started off with us getting even more lost than usual in IRC magic. But
>> I have now written down the main magic spells. After that we covered the test cases,
>> and spent a lot of time writing the first part of the abstract for identity in the browser.
>>
>> Jeff Even wrote a Haiku for it
>>
>> WebID helps me
>> identity, privacy
>> Secure, simple, free
>>
>> Here is the first part for the talk: http://www.w3.org/2011/identity-ws/
>>
>> 1. Position Statement
>>
>> The browser is the interface to the web and should also serve as the interface to a user’s identity. Identity selection and deselection should be a one-click gesture to secure authentication across the entire web. It should put the user in control of the information he shares with each site. And it should be available now.
>>
>> The WebID protocol achieves all of the above. It works in all browsers now using the widely-deployed TLS protocol and client-side certificates--but with a twist. It ties those certificates into the web in a RESTful manner allowing identities to be linked together in a secure social web of trust.
>>
>> After explaining how the WebID protocol works,  we will suggest a roadmap for future improvements in the browser, starting from minimal changes that can be done right now, to longer term ones that can be deployed incrementally.
>>
>>
>> We will be working on that this week and continue reviewing it next week.
>>
>> Henry
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7 Apr 2011, at 22:53, Henry Story wrote:
>>
>>> Meeting Time/Location:
>>> Mondays, Weekly, from April 11th 2011
>>> Time: 1600 UTC
>>> W3C Zakim bridge, telecon code: WEBID (93243)
>>>    SIP: zakim@voip.w3.org
>>>    Phone US: +1.617.761.6200
>>>    Phone UK: +44.203.318.0479
>>>    Phone FR: +33.4.26.46.79.03
>>> irc://irc.w3.org:6665/#webid
>>> Duration: 60 minutes
>>>
>>>
>>> Meeting Agenda:
>>> 1. Accept minutes from previous meeting
>>> 2a. Action Item Review
>>>    http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/open
>>>    http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/pendingreview
>>> 2b. Issue Closing
>>>    (more below)
>>> 3. Anything else we need to discuss in the telecon?
>>>   (a time to raise any important news, updates etc)
>>> 4. A List of 1-4 predetermined ISSUEs or Topics, tbd weekly by the Chair in advance.
>>>
>>>   - ISSUE-9: Develop WebID Test Suite
>>>     http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/9
>>>   - ACTION-23: Start a position paper for Identity in the browser workshop http://www.w3.org/2011/identity-ws/
>>>     This will take some time, and could continue for half an hour after the conf I guess.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 4 Apr 2011, at 19:14, Nathan wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> I'd like to propose that we have weekly meetings every Monday at 16:00 UTC from April 11th onwards.
>>>>
>>>> If anybody has any objections or is otherwise engaged every Monday at this time, then please do say before Friday the 8th April.
>>>>
>>>> Meeting Time/Location:
>>>> Mondays, Weekly, from April 11th 2011
>>>> Time: 1600 UTC
>>>> W3C Zakim bridge, telecon code: WEBID (93243)
>>>>    SIP: zakim@voip.w3.org
>>>>    Phone US: +1.617.761.6200
>>>>    Phone UK: +44.203.318.0479
>>>>    Phone FR: +33.4.26.46.79.03
>>>> irc://irc.w3.org:6665/#webid
>>>> Duration: 60 minutes
>>>>
>>>> Scribes:
>>>> - We'll generate a (random) scribe list and match them up to related dates, for an example see: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/Scribes
>>>> - If for any reason you can't scribe (ever) then do say so we can remove you from the rotation.
>>>> - If for any reason you won't be able to attend a meeting which you are due to be scribing, please let us know via the mailing list so an alternative can be arranged.
>>>> - To save any unwanted surprises, I'll scribe the first weekly meeting on the 11th.
>>>>
>>>> Generic Meeting Agenda:
>>>> 1. Accept minutes from previous meeting
>>>> 2a. Action Item Review
>>>>    http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/open
>>>>    http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/actions/pendingreview
>>>> 2b. Issue Closing
>>>>    (more below)
>>>> 3. Anything else we need to discuss in the telecon?
>>>>   (a time to raise any important news, updates etc)
>>>> 4. A List of 1-4 predetermined ISSUEs or Topics, tbd weekly by the Chair in advance.
>>>>
>>>> Generally:
>>>> - I'd like us to try and get working through the open/raised issues:
>>>>   http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/raised
>>>>   http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/issues/open
>>>> .. and advance the products:
>>>>   http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/webid/track/products
>>>> .. so that we all feel that the time we commit to the meetings is well spent, and typically is centred towards making progress on the issues and products, pre discuss on the list, then come to final resolutions on the calls.
>>>>
>>>> Quorum and resolving issues:
>>>> - to close an issue, Quorum is usually 1/3 of the active members in a group (in our case that would be 12). However I'd suggest that we specify 6 plus-ones to move an issue to preliminarily close an issue, at which point the ISSUE will be moved to a "Pending Review" status.
>>>> - For any issue we propose to close, the resolution must be sent to the mailing list and left on "Pending Review" for one week so that others get a chance to comment on any proposed solution, or raise any last minute objections/points/clarifications.
>>>> - After one week of "Pending Review", all issues requiring no further discussion will be closed at the subsequent meeting, and any issues requiring further telecon time / another vote will be placed on the Agenda by the Chair.
>>>>
>>>> Does that all sound okay?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Nathan
>>> Social Web Architect
>>> http://bblfish.net/
>>>
>> Social Web Architect
>> http://bblfish.net/
>>
>>
>>
>


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