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[URW3] PUBLIC LIST PROBLEMS? -and - Fwd: three questions based on the last telecon.

From: Ken Laskey <klaskey@mitre.org>
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2007 15:42:28 -0400
To: public-xg-urw3@w3.org
Message-Id: <11158528396c728ac4e439668132423d@mitre.org>
Mike Pool tried to post to the public list and it appears to have  
bounced.  I'm not sure why that happened but this month I've seen other  
people who appeared to have the same problem.

First, here is Mike's email.

Second, if you have gotten bounced recently, please let me know.  You  
can check http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-urw3 to see if  
things you intended to post are actually there.

If there is a problem, we'll see if we can get it fixed quickly.

Ken

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Mike Pool" <mpool@convera.com>
> Date: July 13, 2007 3:32:13 PM EDT
> To: "Ken Laskey" <klaskey@mitre.org>, "Kathryn Blackmond Laskey"  
> <klaskey@gmu.edu>
> Subject: FW: three questions based on the last telecon.
>
> Hi, Ken and Kathy,
>  
> I tried to send the below to the public list and received something  
> that looks a bit like a bounce message (an administrative note  
> explaining the functions of the list, etc. and explaining how to  
> unsubscribe from things, etc.)  and I don’t see the note on the  
> archives:  http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-urw3/
>  
> Do I lack the permissions necessary to send notes to the list?  Should  
> I be using another address for such things?  (I have been receiving  
> the messages that have been sent to the list and receiving them at  
> this address).
>  
> Best,
>  
> Mike
>  
>
> From: Mike Pool
> Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 3:25 PM
> To: public-xg-urw3-request@w3.org
> Subject: three questions based on the last telecon.
>  
> Hi, all:
>  
> We’ve been having some great discussions during the meetings and I’d  
> like to pick up a few threads that came up in the last meeting.  I  
> reread these as I was trying to write up the minutes:
>  
> 1)
> Peter suggested that we use w3c standards as our guide for the meaning  
> of ‘proposition’.  Peter, do you know if this is defined somewhere by  
> the w3C.  Could you point us to the definition?
>  
> 2)
> I argued that propositions, in the sense of the meaning of a sentence  
> that is invariant through all the paraphrases and translations of the  
> sentence, rather than assertions or sentences as the kinds of things  
> that hold probability values. 
>  
> Kathy noted in the meeting that a problem with this definition is that  
> a system might assign different uncertainty values to 2 different  
> logically equivalent sentences.   I can imagine that this is possible,  
> but where it occurs I would think it nothing more than a weakness in  
> the system, not in the definition I’ve suggested.  For example, I  
> might misunderstand ‘Es regnet morgen’ as ‘it will rain this morning’  
> rather than ‘it will rain tomorrow’ (if I’ve translated correctly) and  
> assign it a different probability value than that which I’m assigning  
> to ‘it will rain tomorrow’.  But I think that anyone who observed my  
> doing this would point out that it’s a contradiction, i.e., that since  
> these things have the same meaning, I’m obligated to assign them the  
> same probability value.  In other words, it is in virtue of their  
> representing the same proposition that I’m obligated to assign them  
> the same probability value.    So, I think this only helps to  
> underscore the fact that when we explore our intuitions, we believe  
> that propositions are the real p.v. holders.
>  
> 3)
> Anne, you said at one point that “not all beliefs can appropriately be  
> represented as numerical values” and that it “glosses over  
> inconsistencies - beliefs may be logically incompatible”.  I was  
> intrigued by the suggestion, can you say more?
>  
>  
> Again, thanks all for a stimulating telecon on Wednesday.  Apologies  
> in advance if this address is not the right forum for these  
> discussions.
>  
> Best regards,
>  
> Mike Pool
>  
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>  
>  
>
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