- From: <Kerry.Taylor@csiro.au>
- Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2009 12:16:58 +1000
- To: <public-xg-ssn@w3.org>
+1 from me also in Eastern Australia. We still get the tough deal, but then we are also quite used to that! Kerry > -----Original Message----- > From: public-xg-ssn-request@w3.org > [mailto:public-xg-ssn-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Michael Compton > Sent: Thursday, 16 April 2009 9:44 AM > To: Kevin R.Page > Cc: public-xg-ssn@w3.org > Subject: [ExternalEmail] Re: Proposal: Timings for regular meetings > > I'm happy (well happy falls within your definition of pushing the > reasonable boundary) to do the 11pm (Canberra time, it's 1pm Zulu) > meeting this week. And I agree it seems that someone is > always on the > bad end of this deal. > > Just to confuse matters a little bit, all us Australians are in > Eastern Australia (Canberra and Hobart), but the times you > put up are > for Eastern Australia (we call it EST, but that's just gunna confuse > things even more :-) ) not Western Australia ... and the > conversion > from west to east is later not earlier ... ahhhh! > > I'm happy with a simple alternation of the meeting times (I'd > just sat > down and worked out a 3-way 8 hour rotation thingy, but Amit rightly > pointed out that it was rubbish). I'll do +1 for > > > > Period (a) > > UTC 20:00 - 21:00 > > = 06:00 - 07:00 +1 day, Eastern Australia > > = 23:00 - 24:00, Eastern Europe > > = 22:00 - 23:00, Central Europe > > = 21:00 - 22:00, UK and Ireland > > = 16:00 - 17:00, Eastern US > > = 13:00 - 14:00, Western US > > > > Period (b) > > UTC 13:00 - 14:00 > > = 23:00 - 24:00, Eastern Australia > > = 16:00 - 17:00, Eastern Europe > > = 15:00 - 16:00, Central Europe > > = 14:00 - 15:00, UK and Ireland > > = 09:00 - 10:00, Eastern US > > = 06:00 - 07:00, Western US > > > In 6 months we can move it around if better times work. > > > Michael > > > > > > > On 16/04/2009, at 8:33 , Kevin R. Page wrote: > > > On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 13:20 -0700, John Graybeal wrote: > >> As I'm Western US, moving the second one to the 0800 - > 1000 time slot > >> would be most helpful (means I only have to get up at 5 AM, not 3 > >> AM). I realize that may disadvantage Western Australia (what? no > >> Eastern Australia?), so I'll take what comes. > > > > Yes, apologies, I'd missed off Western US too. The > > participants/affiliation list doesn't make it particularly obvious > > which > > timezone people are in. > > > > Applying the (somewhat arbitrary) "least unreasonable" hours of > > 06:00 - > > 24:00, this leaves us with two small possible periods (below). If we > > alternated between them the pain would be shared relatively evenly, > > apart from Australia getting both an early and a late. > > > > My instinct would be to alternate between 21:00 and 13:00 > UTC slots to > > make it mildly less painful for Australia while keeping within the > > periods, though personally I think this should be decided by those > > worst > > affected - i.e. participants in Australia. They may prefer always > > early, > > or always late. > > > > Or, entirely reasonably, that alternate weeks should be > office hours > > for > > Australia. At this juncture it's always going to be ~3am for > > someone, so > > we probably want to abandon the periods proposed below and select a > > different set of "best" periods based on rotating and minimising who > > it's ~3am for. I'd imagine a 3-way rotation would work best. > > > >> From email headers it looks like all our Australian > colleagues are in > > the Western Australian timezone. If we do have participants > in Eastern > > Australia (2 hours earlier) period (a) won't be feasible within the > > "least unreasonable" constraints. > > > > In ~6 months when the Northern Hemisphere leaves daylight > savings time > > and the Southern Hemisphere starts DST, period (a) will > become better > > (less early for Australia, less late for Europe), and period (b) > > worse! > > > > Any other timezones I've missed? ;) > > > > > > Period (a) > > UTC 20:00 - 21:00 > > = 06:00 - 07:00 +1 day, Western Australia > > = 23:00 - 24:00, Eastern Europe > > = 22:00 - 23:00, Central Europe > > = 21:00 - 22:00, UK and Ireland > > = 16:00 - 17:00, Eastern US > > = 13:00 - 14:00, Western US > > > > Period (b) > > UTC 13:00 - 14:00 > > = 23:00 - 24:00, Western Australia > > = 16:00 - 17:00, Eastern Europe > > = 15:00 - 16:00, Central Europe > > = 14:00 - 15:00, UK and Ireland > > = 09:00 - 10:00, Eastern US > > = 06:00 - 07:00, Western US > > > > > > cheers, > > > > Kevin. > > > > > >> On Apr 15, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Kevin R. Page wrote: > >> > >>> On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 21:34 +0300, hornsby wrote: > >>>> just a quick addition, Finland is period (a) EET = 23:00 - 01:00 > >>>> that's indeed pushing the "reasonable" boundaries :) > >>> > >>> Sorry Adrian, I overlooked EET! > >>> > >>> I tried to apply "least unreasonable" local hours of > 06:00-24:00 to > >>> each > >>> timezone. Had I included EET the periods should have been: > >>> > >>> Period (a) > >>> UTC 20:00 - 21:00 > >>> = 06:00 - 07:00 +1 day, Western Australia > >>> = 23:00 - 24:00, Eastern Europe > >>> = 22:00 - 23:00, Central Europe > >>> = 21:00 - 22:00, UK and Ireland > >>> = 16:00 - 17:00, Eastern US > >>> > >>> Period (b) > >>> UTC 10:00 - 14:00 > >>> = 20:00 - 24:00, Western Australia > >>> = 13:00 - 17:00, Eastern Europe > >>> = 12:00 - 16:00, Central Europe > >>> = 11:00 - 15:00, UK and Ireland > >>> = 06:00 - 10:00, Eastern US > >>> > >>> Which unfortunately is a shift for the worse in Australia. > >>> > >>> Other than this amendment the proposal stands. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> Kevin > >>> > >>> P.S. Of course I say this sitting in the UK, where we > have an unfair > >>> historical advantage meaning we're rarely at the extremes of any > >>> timezone clash... sorry... > >>> > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Kevin R. Page <krp@ecs.soton.ac.uk> > >>>> To: public-xg-ssn@w3.org > >>>> Subject: Proposal: Timings for regular meetings > >>>> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:25:53 +0100 > >>>> > >>>> Dear all, > >>>> > >>>> Might I suggest we have a separate discussion/doodle for > setting a > >>>> regular meeting slot, or pair of alternating meeting slots. I > >>>> suspect > >>>> many of us can arrange our diaries around a regular time in the > >>>> future, > >>>> while diaries for the upcoming couple of weeks will already be > >>>> relatively full. > >>>> > >>>> Given the wide spread of timezones [1], I propose there > are only a > >>>> couple of periods of the day that are reasonable for all > involved. > >>>> And > >>>> I'm pushing the boundaries of "reasonable" here, as > there certainly > >>>> isn't a time that'll be ideal for everyone. Please > correct me if > >>>> I've > >>>> got your timezone wrong! > >>>> > >>>> These are: > >>>> > >>>> Period (a) > >>>> UTC 20:00 - 22:00 > >>>> = 06:00 - 08:00 +1 day, Western Australia > >>>> = 22:00 - 24:00, Central Europe > >>>> = 21:00 - 23:00, UK and Ireland > >>>> = 16:00 - 18:00, Eastern US > >>>> > >>>> Period (b) > >>>> UTC 10:00 - 14:00 > >>>> = 20:00 - 24:00, Western Australia > >>>> = 12:00 - 16:00, Central Europe > >>>> = 11:00 - 15:00, UK and Ireland > >>>> = 06:00 - 10:00, Eastern US > >>>> > >>>> These are the *only* periods when it isn't the middle of > the night > >>>> for > >>>> someone. I suggest we see if we can get these to work - > if we can't > >>>> we'll have to alternate between times that some participants > >>>> definitely > >>>> won't be able to attend. > >>>> > >>>> I also note that the majority of *both* of these periods are > >>>> out-of-office-hours for Australia. This is not true for the other > >>>> timezones, where at least one of the periods is within office > >>>> hours. > >>>> > >>>> I therefore propose we give our Australian colleagues > the vote of: > >>>> > >>>> 1) alternating between an earlier and later slot both > within period > >>>> (b) > >>>> (to accommodate the start of the working day in the US), or > >>>> > >>>> 2) alternating between a slot in period (a) and a slot > in period > >>>> (b), > >>>> with the option of restricting (a) to e.g. only 22:00 UTC, or > >>>> > >>>> 3) not feasible to always have the meeting out of hours in > >>>> Australia > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Once a scheme is selected, we can doodle for days of the > week/hour > >>>> slots > >>>> within the periods provided. > >>>> > >>>> I think this will allow us to choose the "least worst" regular > >>>> meeting > >>>> slot, where the out-of-hours inconvenience is spread as evenly as > >>>> possible amongst participants. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> [1] from the participant list: > >>>> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=43337 > >>>> > >>>> Regards, > >>>> > >>>> kev > >>>> > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> > >>> kev > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Kevin R. Page > >>> krp@ecs.soton.ac.uk > http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/info/people/krp > >>> Intelligence, Agents, Multimedia University of > Southampton, UK > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> John > >> > >> -------------- > >> John Graybeal <mailto:graybeal@mbari.org> -- 831-775-1956 > >> Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute > >> Marine Metadata Interoperability Project: http://marinemetadata.org > >> > >> > > > > Regards, > > > > kev > > > > -- > > Kevin R. Page > > krp@ecs.soton.ac.uk http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/info/people/krp > > Intelligence, Agents, Multimedia University of Southampton, UK > > > > > > >
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