RE: [ExternalEmail] Re: Proposal: Timings for regular meetings

 +1 from me also in Eastern Australia. We still get the
tough deal, but then we are also quite used to that!

Kerry

> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-xg-ssn-request@w3.org 
> [mailto:public-xg-ssn-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Michael Compton
> Sent: Thursday, 16 April 2009 9:44 AM
> To: Kevin R.Page
> Cc: public-xg-ssn@w3.org
> Subject: [ExternalEmail] Re: Proposal: Timings for regular meetings
> 
> I'm happy (well happy falls within your definition of pushing the  
> reasonable boundary) to do the 11pm  (Canberra time, it's 1pm Zulu)  
> meeting this week.  And I agree it seems that someone is 
> always on the  
> bad end of this deal.
> 
> Just to confuse matters a little bit, all us Australians are in  
> Eastern Australia (Canberra and Hobart), but the times you 
> put up are  
> for Eastern Australia (we call it EST, but that's just gunna confuse  
> things even more :-)  ) not Western Australia  ... and the 
> conversion  
> from west to east is later not earlier ... ahhhh!
> 
> I'm happy with a simple alternation of the meeting times (I'd 
> just sat  
> down and worked out a 3-way 8 hour rotation thingy, but Amit rightly  
> pointed out that it was rubbish).  I'll do +1 for
> 
> 
> > Period (a)
> > UTC 20:00 - 21:00
> > = 06:00 - 07:00 +1 day, Eastern Australia
> > = 23:00 - 24:00, Eastern Europe
> > = 22:00 - 23:00, Central Europe
> > = 21:00 - 22:00, UK and Ireland
> > = 16:00 - 17:00, Eastern US
> > = 13:00 - 14:00, Western US
> >
> > Period (b)
> > UTC 13:00 - 14:00
> > = 23:00 - 24:00, Eastern Australia
> > = 16:00 - 17:00, Eastern Europe
> > = 15:00 - 16:00, Central Europe
> > = 14:00 - 15:00, UK and Ireland
> > = 09:00 - 10:00, Eastern US
> > = 06:00 - 07:00, Western US
> 
> 
> In 6 months we can move it around if better times work.
> 
> 
> Michael
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 16/04/2009, at 8:33 , Kevin R. Page wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 13:20 -0700, John Graybeal wrote:
> >> As I'm Western US, moving the second one to the 0800 - 
> 1000 time slot
> >> would be most helpful (means I only have to get up at 5 AM, not 3
> >> AM).  I realize that may disadvantage Western Australia (what? no
> >> Eastern Australia?), so I'll take what comes.
> >
> > Yes, apologies, I'd missed off Western US too. The
> > participants/affiliation list doesn't make it particularly obvious  
> > which
> > timezone people are in.
> >
> > Applying the (somewhat arbitrary) "least unreasonable" hours of  
> > 06:00 -
> > 24:00, this leaves us with two small possible periods (below). If we
> > alternated between them the pain would be shared relatively evenly,
> > apart from Australia getting both an early and a late.
> >
> > My instinct would be to alternate between 21:00 and 13:00 
> UTC slots to
> > make it mildly less painful for Australia while keeping within the
> > periods, though personally I think this should be decided by those  
> > worst
> > affected - i.e. participants in Australia. They may prefer always  
> > early,
> > or always late.
> >
> > Or, entirely reasonably, that alternate weeks should be 
> office hours  
> > for
> > Australia. At this juncture it's always going to be ~3am for  
> > someone, so
> > we probably want to abandon the periods proposed below and select a
> > different set of "best" periods based on rotating and minimising who
> > it's ~3am for. I'd imagine a 3-way rotation would work best.
> >
> >> From email headers it looks like all our Australian 
> colleagues are in
> > the Western Australian timezone. If we do have participants 
> in Eastern
> > Australia (2 hours earlier) period (a) won't be feasible within the
> > "least unreasonable" constraints.
> >
> > In ~6 months when the Northern Hemisphere leaves daylight 
> savings time
> > and the Southern Hemisphere starts DST, period (a) will 
> become better
> > (less early for Australia, less late for Europe), and period (b)  
> > worse!
> >
> > Any other timezones I've missed? ;)
> >
> >
> > Period (a)
> > UTC 20:00 - 21:00
> > = 06:00 - 07:00 +1 day, Western Australia
> > = 23:00 - 24:00, Eastern Europe
> > = 22:00 - 23:00, Central Europe
> > = 21:00 - 22:00, UK and Ireland
> > = 16:00 - 17:00, Eastern US
> > = 13:00 - 14:00, Western US
> >
> > Period (b)
> > UTC 13:00 - 14:00
> > = 23:00 - 24:00, Western Australia
> > = 16:00 - 17:00, Eastern Europe
> > = 15:00 - 16:00, Central Europe
> > = 14:00 - 15:00, UK and Ireland
> > = 09:00 - 10:00, Eastern US
> > = 06:00 - 07:00, Western US
> >
> >
> > cheers,
> >
> > Kevin.
> >
> >
> >> On Apr 15, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Kevin R. Page wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 21:34 +0300, hornsby wrote:
> >>>> just a quick addition, Finland is period (a) EET = 23:00 - 01:00
> >>>> that's indeed pushing the "reasonable" boundaries :)
> >>>
> >>> Sorry Adrian, I overlooked EET!
> >>>
> >>> I tried to apply "least unreasonable" local hours of 
> 06:00-24:00 to
> >>> each
> >>> timezone. Had I included EET the periods should have been:
> >>>
> >>> Period (a)
> >>> UTC 20:00 - 21:00
> >>> = 06:00 - 07:00 +1 day, Western Australia
> >>> = 23:00 - 24:00, Eastern Europe
> >>> = 22:00 - 23:00, Central Europe
> >>> = 21:00 - 22:00, UK and Ireland
> >>> = 16:00 - 17:00, Eastern US
> >>>
> >>> Period (b)
> >>> UTC 10:00 - 14:00
> >>> = 20:00 - 24:00, Western Australia
> >>> = 13:00 - 17:00, Eastern Europe
> >>> = 12:00 - 16:00, Central Europe
> >>> = 11:00 - 15:00, UK and Ireland
> >>> = 06:00 - 10:00, Eastern US
> >>>
> >>> Which unfortunately is a shift for the worse in Australia.
> >>>
> >>> Other than this amendment the proposal stands.
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Kevin
> >>>
> >>> P.S. Of course I say this sitting in the UK, where we 
> have an unfair
> >>> historical advantage meaning we're rarely at the extremes of any
> >>> timezone clash... sorry...
> >>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Kevin R. Page <krp@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
> >>>> To: public-xg-ssn@w3.org
> >>>> Subject: Proposal: Timings for regular meetings
> >>>> Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 19:25:53 +0100
> >>>>
> >>>> Dear all,
> >>>>
> >>>> Might I suggest we have a separate discussion/doodle for 
> setting a
> >>>> regular meeting slot, or pair of alternating meeting slots. I  
> >>>> suspect
> >>>> many of us can arrange our diaries around a regular time in the
> >>>> future,
> >>>> while diaries for the upcoming couple of weeks will already be
> >>>> relatively full.
> >>>>
> >>>> Given the wide spread of timezones [1], I propose there 
> are only a
> >>>> couple of periods of the day that are reasonable for all 
> involved.
> >>>> And
> >>>> I'm pushing the boundaries of "reasonable" here, as 
> there certainly
> >>>> isn't a time that'll be ideal for everyone. Please 
> correct me if  
> >>>> I've
> >>>> got your timezone wrong!
> >>>>
> >>>> These are:
> >>>>
> >>>> Period (a)
> >>>> UTC 20:00 - 22:00
> >>>> = 06:00 - 08:00 +1 day, Western Australia
> >>>> = 22:00 - 24:00, Central Europe
> >>>> = 21:00 - 23:00, UK and Ireland
> >>>> = 16:00 - 18:00, Eastern US
> >>>>
> >>>> Period (b)
> >>>> UTC 10:00 - 14:00
> >>>> = 20:00 - 24:00, Western Australia
> >>>> = 12:00 - 16:00, Central Europe
> >>>> = 11:00 - 15:00, UK and Ireland
> >>>> = 06:00 - 10:00, Eastern US
> >>>>
> >>>> These are the *only* periods when it isn't the middle of 
> the night
> >>>> for
> >>>> someone. I suggest we see if we can get these to work - 
> if we can't
> >>>> we'll have to alternate between times that some participants
> >>>> definitely
> >>>> won't be able to attend.
> >>>>
> >>>> I also note that the majority of *both* of these periods are
> >>>> out-of-office-hours for Australia. This is not true for the other
> >>>> timezones, where at least one of the periods is within office  
> >>>> hours.
> >>>>
> >>>> I therefore propose we give our Australian colleagues 
> the vote of:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1) alternating between an earlier and later slot both 
> within period
> >>>> (b)
> >>>> (to accommodate the start of the working day in the US), or
> >>>>
> >>>> 2) alternating between a slot in period (a) and a slot 
> in period  
> >>>> (b),
> >>>> with the option of restricting (a) to e.g. only 22:00 UTC, or
> >>>>
> >>>> 3) not feasible to always have the meeting out of hours in  
> >>>> Australia
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Once a scheme is selected, we can doodle for days of the 
> week/hour
> >>>> slots
> >>>> within the periods provided.
> >>>>
> >>>> I think this will allow us to choose the "least worst" regular
> >>>> meeting
> >>>> slot, where the out-of-hours inconvenience is spread as evenly as
> >>>> possible amongst participants.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> [1] from the participant list:
> >>>> http://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/details?group=43337
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>>
> >>>> kev
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> kev
> >>>
> >>> -- 
> >>> Kevin R. Page
> >>> krp@ecs.soton.ac.uk      
> http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/info/people/krp
> >>> Intelligence, Agents, Multimedia      University of 
> Southampton, UK
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> John
> >>
> >> --------------
> >> John Graybeal   <mailto:graybeal@mbari.org>  -- 831-775-1956
> >> Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute
> >> Marine Metadata Interoperability Project: http://marinemetadata.org
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > kev
> >
> > -- 
> > Kevin R. Page
> > krp@ecs.soton.ac.uk      http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/info/people/krp
> > Intelligence, Agents, Multimedia      University of Southampton, UK
> >
> >
> 
> 
>

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