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RE: Children Protection on the Social Web

From: Jonsson, Håkan 1 <Hakan1.Jonsson@sonyericsson.com>
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 15:04:13 +0200
To: Harry Halpin <hhalpin@ibiblio.org>, Phil Archer <phil@philarcher.org>
CC: Mischa Tuffield <mischa.tuffield@garlik.com>, Social Web Incubator Group WG <public-xg-socialweb@w3.org>, "Appelquist, Daniel, VF-Group" <Daniel.Appelquist@vodafone.com>
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On this subject I think a recent thesis by Elza Dunkels, a Swedish researcher, is worth reading. She recently  spoke at the TEDxÖresund, but the video is unfortunately not yet available. Anyhow, her research shows that children develop their own working online safety strategies, and that the type of guidelines we have seen from FOSI and others are often misdirected, and impossible for children to actually apply, which instead cause them to create strategies for circumventing them.

For example, the advice "your child should never give out personally identifiable information online", which is in FOSI's guide to parents, is very hard to comply to if you want an online social life at all.

Elza's thesis can be found here:

Sorry for not having been able to participate actively for a long time.


From: public-xg-socialweb-request@w3.org [public-xg-socialweb-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Harry Halpin [hhalpin@ibiblio.org]
Sent: Wednesday, May 05, 2010 12:03 PM
To: Phil Archer
Cc: Mischa Tuffield; Social Web Incubator Group WG; Appelquist, Daniel, VF-Group
Subject: Re: Children Protection on the Social Web

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Phil Archer <phil@philarcher.org> wrote:
> Sure, I'll put a request in (and will coordinate with Dan A).
> Incidentally, don't you just love the English language's unending ability to
> confuse. Your request "Could you get a date for her?" can mean so many
> things...

I meant "Annie Mullins" - however, let's aim for the telecon whenever
we can, and I'd be happy if you could explain the work on POWDER in
relationship to this topic as well, given your expertise in both
POWDER and child protection, Phil. This telecon dovetails nicely with
our focus on policy and provenance. Currently the Provenance XG is
booked for May 12th, so either the following week or the week after
that would be suitable.


> Phil.
> Harry Halpin wrote:
>> Phil and Mischa - I agree that a talk on children's privacy and the
>> Social Web would be great, and it should be scheduled. Could you get a
>> date for her?
>> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 8:32 AM, Phil Archer <phil@philarcher.org> wrote:
>>> Thanks Misha,
>>> What you/DanBri say about me is true, however, I've been away from online
>>> safety for well over a year now so I would suggest that there are other
>>> people better placed to talk about young people on social media. The
>>> person
>>> that comes to mind immediately is Annie Mullins, head of content for
>>> Vodafone Global [1]. She's a key figure in online safety in Britain and
>>> elsewhere and hugely respected. She's written UK government guidelines on
>>> social media before now (the kind of thing that ends up in school
>>> curricula).
>>> I'd be interested to hear what she as to say about the CEOP panic button
>>> thing (fwiw. I think CEOP and Facebook are both probably more wrong than
>>> right and both are being bloody minded which is never a good thing but
>>> hey,
>>> that's just me).
>>> Dan A and/or I could ask her to speak to the group if others want this
>>> topic
>>> discussed.
>>> Cheers
>>> Phil.
>>> [1] http://kwz.me/iu
>>> Mischa Tuffield wrote:
>>>> Hello All,
>>>> Given that we have been given an extension on this XG, I was wondering
>>>> whether people were interested in including a talk by someone
>>>> knowledgeable
>>>> about "Child Protection on the Social Web" (or something). The UK's
>>>> Child
>>>> Exploitation and Online Protection Centre[1] has recently been on a
>>>> campaign
>>>> [3][4] promoting their "Panic Button" [2], which has led facebook to
>>>> installing it on their profile pages.
>>>> Would people be interested to hear about such things, and does anyone
>>>> have
>>>> any contacts in this space? Danbri mentioned that Phil Archer did some
>>>> work
>>>> with the internet content rating alliance (ICRA), on PICS related work
>>>> for
>>>> child-protection oriented content labelling (have cc'ed Phil in this
>>>> email).
>>>> Do people think this would be an interesting topic for the XG to touch
>>>> upon?
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Mischa
>>>> [1] http://www.ceop.police.uk/
>>>> [2]http://www.ceop.police.uk/reportabuse/
>>>> [3]http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/04/13/facebook.panic.button/index.html
>>>> [4]CBBC newsround (high brow journalism
>>>>  http://news.bbc.co.uk/cbbcnews/hi/newsid_8360000/newsid_8366800/8366865.stm
>>>> (yes super high-brow journalism there for you folks) - an indication
>>>> that
>>>> CBBC thinks this is a good idea though
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>>> Phil Archer
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> Phil Archer
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