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Re: I18n and Linked Data - an important (but fixable) omission?

From: Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>
Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2011 11:31:57 +0200
Message-ID: <4E688B8D.5010200@few.vu.nl>
To: Felix Sasaki <felix.sasaki@dfki.de>
CC: public-xg-lld@w3.org, public-i18n-core@w3.org
Hi Felix,

I'd add some other background: the space in this report is quite scarce. And many technologies/warning/recommendations that are dear to us were downsized to one sentence, too...

Antoine


> Hi Antoine,
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> I am putting the i18n core group into the loop. This group has a lot of discussions like these, with arguments like you are bringing about IRIs: "Many of our readers won't need to know about it, if just because they do not really need it". I assume that even if the library identifiers may work with ASCII only, there will be in the future more and more a push towards domain names that are internationlized, The National Diet Library in Japan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Diet_Library
> Already has an entry in the Japanese wikipedia that is an IRI http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%9B%BD%E7%AB%8B%E5%9B%BD%E4%BC%9A%E5%9B%B3%E6%9B%B8%E9%A4%A8
> I think librarians also outside of Japan should how to handle these kind of identifiers.
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> Background for the i18n core folks: this is about adding a paragraph related to IRIs in the "library linked data incubator group" report.
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> Felix
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> 2011/9/8 Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl <mailto:aisaac@few.vu.nl>>
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>     Hi,
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>     I'd object against adding this as a self-standing recommendation. Indeed, it seems more like a general linked data or even web problem, something that goes beyond our library-focused scope. And it would make an extra layer of complexity too visible: the huge majority of material on LD (including TimBL's principle page keep to URIs, and even if it's a quite bad practice, that's for a reason (I expect, mostly because the "difference" between URLs and URIs is hard to get, next to all the other technical LD stuff).
>     Many of our readers won't need to know about it, if just because they do not really need it -- even the more technically savvy ones.
>     That being said, it would be really fair to slip in somewhere one sentence refering to IRIs and their advantages, e.g., when we mention best practices to create identifiers, or in the technology section.
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>     Antoine
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>         Here I would disagree. The use of IRIs is pushed forward in many specific Web standards - just search for "IRI" under www.w3.org/TR/ <http://www.w3.org/TR/> <http://www.w3.org/TR/> , or for internationalization in many W3C charters. So the "general web practice" is to mention IRI as much as possible. I would propose to do the same here.
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>         Felix (being active in the w3c i18n activity for some time).
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>         2011/9/8 <tel:2011%2F9%2F8> Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net>>>
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>         I see this as a general Web issue, not a Linked Data issue. Presumably Linked Data will follow Web practice.
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>         kc
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>         Quoting Tom Baker <tbaker@tbaker.de <mailto:tbaker@tbaker.de> <mailto:tbaker@tbaker.de <mailto:tbaker@tbaker.de>>>:
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>         All,
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>         It has been brought to my attention that our report neglects to acknowledge a
>         need for library linked data to consider a growing requirement for
>         non-Latin-based URIs -- i.e., Internationalized Resource Identifiers, or IRIs
>         [1]:
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>         "Since resource identifiers play a crucial role for the Semantic Web, the
>         internatinalization of resource identifiers is of high importance. It turns
>         out that the prevalent resource identification mechanism on the Semantic
>         Web, i.e. URIs, are not sufficient for an efficient internationalization of
>         knowledge bases. Fortunately, with IRIs a standard for international
>         resource identifiers is available, but its support needs much more
>         penetration and homogenization in various semantic web technology stacks.
>         In addition, we review various RDF serializations with regard to their
>         support for internationalized knowledge bases. The paper also contains an
>         in-depth review of popular semantic web tools and APIs with regard to their
>         support for internationalization. "
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>         I'm not aware that anyone raised this during the comment period, but now that
>         it has been raised at the eleventh hour, I think we need to find a way to
>         acknowledge this -- perhaps in an additional sentence or half sentence in the
>         Recommendations section [2].
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>         Tom
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>         [1] http://iswc2010.semanticweb.____org/pdf/385.pdf <http://iswc2010.semanticweb.__org/pdf/385.pdf <http://iswc2010.semanticweb.org/pdf/385.pdf>>
>         [2] http://www.w3.org/2005/____Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_____recommendations_page_take2#____Create_URIs_for_the_items_in_____library_datasets <http://www.w3.org/2005/__Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft___recommendations_page_take2#__Create_URIs_for_the_items_in___library_datasets> <http://www.w3.org/2005/__Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft___recommendations_page_take2#__Create_URIs_for_the_items_in___library_datasets <http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_page_take2#Create_URIs_for_the_items_in_library_datasets>>
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