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Re: I18n and Linked Data - an important (but fixable) omission?

From: Felix Sasaki <felix.sasaki@dfki.de>
Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 10:49:23 +0200
Message-ID: <CAL58czrgCoa9z=CzqmtL5N+0G8CMTLFfzHxs082MpDNOLU9h-Q@mail.gmail.com>
To: Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>
Cc: public-xg-lld@w3.org, public-i18n-core@w3.org
Hi Antoine,

I am putting the i18n core group into the loop. This group has a lot of
discussions like these, with arguments like you are bringing about IRIs:
"Many of our readers won't need to know about it, if just because they do
not really need it". I assume that even if the library identifiers may work
with ASCII only, there will be in the future more and more a push towards
domain names that are internationlized, The National Diet Library in Japan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Diet_Library
Already has an entry in the Japanese wikipedia that is an IRI
http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%9B%BD%E7%AB%8B%E5%9B%BD%E4%BC%9A%E5%9B%B3%E6%9B%B8%E9%A4%A8
I think librarians also outside of Japan should how to handle these kind of
identifiers.

Background for the i18n core folks: this is about adding a paragraph related
to IRIs in the "library linked data incubator group" report.

Felix

2011/9/8 Antoine Isaac <aisaac@few.vu.nl>

> Hi,
>
> I'd object against adding this as a self-standing recommendation. Indeed,
> it seems more like a general linked data or even web problem, something that
> goes beyond our library-focused scope. And it would make an extra layer of
> complexity too visible: the huge majority of material on LD (including
> TimBL's principle page keep to URIs, and even if it's a quite bad practice,
> that's for a reason (I expect, mostly because the "difference" between URLs
> and URIs is hard to get, next to all the other technical LD stuff).
> Many of our readers won't need to know about it, if just because they do
> not really need it -- even the more technically savvy ones.
> That being said, it would be really fair to slip in somewhere one sentence
> refering to IRIs and their advantages, e.g., when we mention best practices
> to create identifiers, or in the technology section.
>
> Antoine
>
>
>  Here I would disagree. The use of IRIs is pushed forward in many specific
>> Web standards - just search for "IRI" under www.w3.org/TR/ <
>> http://www.w3.org/TR/> , or for internationalization in many W3C
>> charters. So the "general web practice" is to mention IRI as much as
>> possible. I would propose to do the same here.
>>
>>
>> Felix (being active in the w3c i18n activity for some time).
>>
>>
>> 2011/9/8 Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net>>
>>
>>
>>    I see this as a general Web issue, not a Linked Data issue. Presumably
>> Linked Data will follow Web practice.
>>
>>    kc
>>
>>
>>
>>    Quoting Tom Baker <tbaker@tbaker.de <mailto:tbaker@tbaker.de>>:
>>
>>        All,
>>
>>        It has been brought to my attention that our report neglects to
>> acknowledge a
>>        need for library linked data to consider a growing requirement for
>>        non-Latin-based URIs -- i.e., Internationalized Resource
>> Identifiers, or IRIs
>>        [1]:
>>
>>        "Since resource identifiers play a crucial role for the Semantic
>> Web, the
>>        internatinalization of resource identifiers is of high importance.
>> It turns
>>        out that the prevalent resource identification mechanism on the
>> Semantic
>>        Web, i.e. URIs, are not sufficient for an efficient
>> internationalization of
>>        knowledge bases. Fortunately, with IRIs a standard for
>> international
>>        resource identifiers is available, but its support needs much more
>>        penetration and homogenization in various semantic web technology
>> stacks.
>>        In addition, we review various RDF serializations with regard to
>> their
>>        support for internationalized knowledge bases. The paper also
>> contains an
>>        in-depth review of popular semantic web tools and APIs with regard
>> to their
>>        support for internationalization. "
>>
>>        I'm not aware that anyone raised this during the comment period,
>> but now that
>>        it has been raised at the eleventh hour, I think we need to find a
>> way to
>>        acknowledge this -- perhaps in an additional sentence or half
>> sentence in the
>>        Recommendations section [2].
>>
>>        Tom
>>
>>        [1] http://iswc2010.semanticweb.__**org/pdf/385.pdf <
>> http://iswc2010.semanticweb.**org/pdf/385.pdf<http://iswc2010.semanticweb.org/pdf/385.pdf>
>> >
>>        [2] http://www.w3.org/2005/__**Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft___**
>> recommendations_page_take2#__**Create_URIs_for_the_items_in__**
>> _library_datasets<http://www.w3.org/2005/__Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft___recommendations_page_take2#__Create_URIs_for_the_items_in___library_datasets><
>> http://www.w3.org/2005/**Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_**
>> recommendations_page_take2#**Create_URIs_for_the_items_in_**
>> library_datasets<http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Draft_recommendations_page_take2#Create_URIs_for_the_items_in_library_datasets>
>> >
>>
>>        --
>>        Tom Baker <tom@tombaker.org <mailto:tom@tombaker.org>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    --
>>    Karen Coyle
>>    kcoyle@kcoyle.net <mailto:kcoyle@kcoyle.net> http://kcoyle.net
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>>    m: 1-510-435-8234 <tel:1-510-435-8234>
>>
>>    skype: kcoylenet
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Prof. Dr. Felix Sasaki
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