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RE: vocabs, metadata set, datasets

From: Ford, Kevin <kefo@loc.gov>
Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2011 11:57:33 -0500
To: Mark van Assem <mark@cs.vu.nl>, Jodi Schneider <jodi.schneider@deri.org>
CC: "public-xg-lld@w3.org" <public-xg-lld@w3.org>, Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net>
Message-ID: <1D525027B29706438707F336D75A279F152C4FD002@LCXCLMB03.LCDS.LOC.GOV>
This will likely need a little tweaking, but hopefully this gets us closer:

In some cases, individual records in a dataset are themselves used as values in records from another, separate dataset. For example, Jacques Derrida wrote a book that offers commentary on a book by Martin Heidegger.  Derrida's book is owned by the Bibliotheque Nationale de France (BnF) and is, therefore, recorded in the BnF dataset; Heidegger's book is owned by the Deutsche Nationalbibliothek (DNB) and similarly recorded in the DNB dataset.  BnF staff can indicate, in the book's record in the BnF dataset, that Derrida's book offers commentary on Heidegger's book in the DNB dataset. The statement in the Derrida record might include a Dublin Core Subject property with, as its value, a reference to the Heidegger record in the DNB dataset.  In this case, we would still consider the BnF and DNB datasets as datasets, not a value vocabularies. 

Cordially,
Kevin

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From: public-xg-lld-request@w3.org [public-xg-lld-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Mark van Assem [mark@cs.vu.nl]
Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2011 10:34
To: Jodi Schneider
Cc: public-xg-lld@w3.org; Karen Coyle
Subject: Re: vocabs, metadata set, datasets

Hi Jodi,

X and Y would be two collections ("datasets") from two different
libraries. It could also be two subcollections or within one collection,
but I think making them separate ones will make it more illustrative.

Do you have a suggestion on how to clarify or replace X and Y with
specific existing collections/libraries as examples?

Mark


On 06/01/2011 16:21, Jodi Schneider wrote:
> Thanks for this, Mark! I especially like the 'confusions' area -- that
> will make this quite useful.
>
> In this, it would be helpful if you'd explain what datasets X and Y
> might be. Particular collections? Subcollections of a larger whole?
> "in some cases records in a dataset are themselves used as values in
> other datasets. For example, Derrida wrote a book that comments on
> Heidegger's book "Sein und Zeit". A record for Derrida's book in dataset
> X can state this by relating it to a record for Heidegger's book in
> dataset Y. This statement in the Derrida record could consist of the
> Dublin Core Subject with as value a reference to the Heidegger record.
> In this case we would still term X and Y datasets, not a value
> vocabularies."
>
> -Jodi
>
> On 6 Jan 2011, at 08:00, Mark van Assem wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As per my action I have written some text [1] to explain the terms
>> "dataset, metadata element set, value vocabulary" with feedback from
>> Karen and Antoine to address the things that don't fit very nicely.
>>
>> Please let me know what you think, after I've had your input we'll put
>> it on the public list to get shot at.
>>
>> Mark.
>>
>> [1]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/Library_terminology_informally_explained#Vocabularies.2C_Element_sets.2C_Datasets
>>
>> On 28/12/2010 18:40, Karen Coyle wrote:
>>> I have been organizing the vocabularies and technologies on the archives
>>> cluster page [1] and it was a very interesting exercise trying to
>>> determine what category some of the "things" fit into. This could turn
>>> out to be a starting place for our upcoming discussion of our
>>> definitions since it has real examples. The hard part seems to be value
>>> vocabularies v. datasets, and I have a feeling that there will not be a
>>> clear line between them.
>>>
>>> kc
>>> [1]
>>> http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Cluster_Archives#Vocabularies_and_Technologies
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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