- From: Ray Denenberg, Library of Congress <rden@loc.gov>
- Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 15:59:19 -0400
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The minutes of yesterday's call are at http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minutes.html
A text version follows.
-- Ray
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
LLD XG
07 Oct 2010
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Oct/0016.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2010/10/07-lld-irc
Attendees
Present
Emmanuelle Bermes (emma), Thomas Baker (TomB), Jeff Young
(jeff), Antoine Isaac (antoine), Jonathan Rees
(Jonathan_Rees), Ross Singer (rsinger), Marcia Zeng (marcia),
Tod Matola (matolat), Karen Coyle (kcoyle), Ray Denenberg
(rayd), pmurray, Kim Viljanen (digikim), Oreste Signore
(Oreste), MarkA, Michael Panzer (michaelp)
Regrets
Anette, Gordon, Jodi, Felix, Lars, Alex, Kai, Monica, Martin,
Andras, Jon, Kevin, Oreste
Chair
Emmanuelle
Scribe
Ray
Contents
* [4]Topics
1. [5]admin
2. [6]summary of telecon
3. [7]face to face meeting
4. [8]sat/sun part of meeting
5. [9]Use cases
6. [10]actions
7. [11]use topics
8. [12]Topics
9. [13]wiki pages for capturing relevant links and ideas
10. [14]upcoming topics
* [15]Summary of Action Items
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<oreste> regrets, called in another meeting, I will leave a few
minutes after the telecon start
<emma> Previous: 2010-09-30
[16]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minu
tes.html
[16] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minutes.html
<emma> Scribe: Ray
<emma> scribenick: rayd
admin
emma: Accept minutes?
<antoine> RESOLVED: To accept minutes of previous telecon:
[17]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minu
tes.html
[17] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minutes.html
emma: Minutes accepted.
summary of telecon
emma: Meeting Friday Oct 22, joint meeting with DC architecture.
There is a draft agenda, will post link.
tomB:Summary of the teleconference with DC Architecture: discussion
of whether to move forward or not with dcmi model; a lot has changed
since model was put forward. Looking at ways to deprecate the model
and adopt the RDF abstract model. Will finalize by October 15 for
the meeting on the 22nd. There will be many who show up because they
are already at the DC meeting, in addition to the 16 already signed
up, so if you plan to attend please sign up. There are good
presentations planned for the meeting on the 22nd.We want to be able
to compare and contrast the 2 different approaches. Marcia and
Gordon will present. There will be a long discussion about
requirement s for application profiles - one profile or several.
antoine: Is everyone happy with proposed agenda?
tomB: Program is solid now, not much time for more, focus on
preparing for meeting based on agenda as proposed.
<antoine> ACTION: Any proposed changes to agenda for joint meeting
with DC Architecture Forum
([18]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/JointMeeting2010), please email
TomB [recorded in
[19]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minu
tes.html#action01] [DONE]
[18] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/JointMeeting2010)
[19] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minutes.html#action01
face to face meeting
Sat/Sun part of meeting
<emma> [20]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F_Pittsburgh
[20] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F_Pittsburgh
emma: Lots of change on the agenda, everyone look at it. If you
haven't registered and you plan to come, add your name.
Everyone attending should present a use case. Sunday session will be
on use cases and topics.
Use cases
<Abartov> so, seeing as I have only recently added my use case,
should I add it to the F2F agenda in case I make it there?
<antoine> yes!
<kcoyle> yes, reminder
<pmurray> reminder++
<marcia> yes, some organization has been preparing, e.g., FAO
<antoine> my yes was to abartov :-)
emma: Should we send reminder to lists about use cases?
<marcia> +1
<kcoyle> yes, same as first time
<Zakim> pmurray, you wanted to discuss library-oriented lists
<oreste> sorry, leaving for the other meeting
pmurray: Should we add more library-oriented lists, e.g. code4lib?
<antoine> code4lib is on the list...
<antoine> ACTION: first use case call senders to send a reminder to
the lists they added on
[21]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Dissemination_Lists
[recorded in
[22]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action02]
[21] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Dissemination_Lists
<emma> [23]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseNotes
[23] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/UseCaseNotes
emma: On the use case notes page, review it to see if there are use
cases missing. e.g. citations.
kcoyle: During discussion at face to face are we going to try to
fill in gaps?
<antoine> +1 for just identifying the gaps at the F2F first
<TomB> +1 for identifying gaps - we can work on filling them during
the rest of our charter
emma: Good question, not sure there will be time. We will have time
after face to face to fill in gaps.
<MarkA> don't see the SURF UC (contributed at dutchsemweb-l) in the
list?
<marcia> +1 for identifying gaps. Members who contributed UCs may be
able to fill in more
<antoine> I plan to send them a mail later asking them to try to
fill the form
<antoine> it was an interesting case in fact
actions
<antoine> ACTION: emma, kcoyle, GordonD, Marcia, bvatant to
structure the discussion of use cases in light of the topic list
[recorded in
[24]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/23-lld-minu
tes.html#action01] [CONTINUES]
[24] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/23-lld-minutes.html#action01
<antoine> ACTION: Karen to export spreadsheet, and Asaf to convert
to wiki table [recorded in
[25]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minu
tes.html#action02] [DONE]
[25] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minutes.html#action02
<antoine> ACTION: Use-case owner(s) to check table and matches
[recorded in
[26]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minu
tes.html#action03] [CONTINUES]
[26] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minutes.html#action03
<antoine> ACTION: Topic owners to check table and think about
supplying additional use-cases [recorded in
[27]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minu
tes.html#action04] [CONTINUES]
[27] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minutes.html#action04
<antoine> ACTION: Alexander to create wiki page for identifying
requirements [recorded in
[28]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minu
tes.html#action06] [DONE]
[28] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minutes.html#action06
kcoyle: It occurs to me that we didn't ask people what gaps they
see.
emma: This should go in the "Problems and Limitations" sections.
kcoyle: Do we have good enough gap analysis?
<digikim> (off topic: MarkVanAssem: SeCo won 1 hour ago the first
prize in a open data competition in Finland:
[29]http://www.slideshare.net/apps4finland/apps4finland-2010-voittaj
at -- check slide 15; sorry partially in Finnish)
[29] http://www.slideshare.net/apps4finland/apps4finland-2010-voittajat
emma: We should refer gaps back to the use case owner when they are
identified.
<Abartov> +1
<digikim> :)
emma: It would be good if every attendee would act as an advocate
for one use case. (Not a use case which the attendee has
contributed, someone else's use case.)
<Abartov> +1
<kcoyle> yes
<antoine> +1 (but I'm not here next week :-)
<pmurray> Did you say people /not/ advocate for a use case they have
submitted?
<TomB> +1 - "shepherds" lead discussion of that use case...
<antoine> @pmurray: yes
<MarkA> digikim: congrats!!
<antoine> digikim++
<MarkA> +1 shepherds
<pmurray> Agreed.
<Abartov> We could try to identify UCs whose owners won't be at the
F2F, and see if we can match volunteers to work with the owner and
prepare to advocate the UC at the F2F.
<antoine> good idea, asaf
<TomB> Where should "shepherds" sign their names -- directly in
[30]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F_Pittsburgh#Use_cas
e_discussion_9:00-10:30_.2B_11:00-12:30 ?
[30] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F_Pittsburgh#Use_case_discussion_9:00-10:30_.2B_11:00-12:30
<matolat> how much time per case? Or will it be by interest?
<antoine> ACTION: participants to volunteer as use case 'shepherds'
by signing their names in
[31]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F_Pittsburgh#Use_cas
e_discussion_9:00-10:30_.2B_11:00-12:30 [recorded in
[32]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action08]
[31] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F_Pittsburgh#Use_case_discussion_9:00-10:30_.2B_11:00-12:30
<MarkA> shepherd = champion, proponent
<rayd>I don't think either "shepherd" or "advocate" is quite the
right term, I think "presenter" is.
<emma> The shepherd should have read the UC carefully and be
prepared to lead discussion. It's not about producing an analysis
but to lead discussion. Everyone should read 1 or 2 UCs, in order to
spread the work
<TomB> discussion leader?
<rsinger> they are also moderator
Topics
<marcia> [33]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Topics
[33] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Topics
kcoyle: Do we want to do any more work elaborating on topics before
f2f or leave it as is?
<marcia> I think some editing may be needed
emma: Ok to leave table as starting point.
<TomB> +1 for short names, "handles" - better than numbers...
kcoyle: Can add short name for reference.
<marcia> +1 for short names
<TomB> Karen, see [34]http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-ucr/#Requirements
for examples of short names
[34] http://www.w3.org/TR/skos-ucr/#Requirements
<antoine> ACTION: karen to add short names to the topics page
[recorded in
[35]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action09]
<antoine> ACTION: Everyone to elaborate on topics in the wiki
[recorded in
[36]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minu
tes.html#action08] [DONE]
[36] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action08
wiki pages for capturing relevant links and ideas
<michaelp> A few data sets are on the Linked Data cloud.
<marcia> +1 for a list
<rsinger> michaelp: right, but it's not comprehensive
<michaelp> Upper right hand corner.
rsinger: Is there a list of all the library linked data that exists
in the wild, and if so, it should go in this wiki.
<kcoyle> there is the linked data cloud -- it has some bib data
<marcia> sections on those already there and some are experimenting
<rsinger> michaelp: that appeared in my talk
<michaelp> +1 for a list, plus some basic facts: size, SPARQL
endpoint, etc.
<jar> agenda:
[37]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Oct/0016.h
tml
[37] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xg-lld/2010Oct/0016.html
<antoine> ACTION: ross to create a page with LLD data sets on the
wiki [recorded in
[38]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action11]
<rsinger> i won't be at the f2f, anyway
upcoming topics
emma: Technology and best practices, and Community building and
outreach.... we will discuss next week
Summary of Action Items
[NEW] ACTION: first use case call senders to send a reminder to the
lists they added on
[39]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Dissemination_Lists
[recorded in
[40]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action02]
[NEW] ACTION: karen to add short names to the topics page [recorded
in
[41]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action09]
[NEW] ACTION: participants to volunteer as use case 'shepherds' by
signing their names in
[42]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F_Pittsburgh#Use_cas
e_discussion_9:00-10:30_.2B_11:00-12:30 [recorded in
[43]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action08]
[NEW] ACTION: ross to create a page with LLD data sets on the wiki
[recorded in
[44]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/10/07-lld-minu
tes.html#action11]
[39] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/Dissemination_Lists
[42] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/wiki/F2F_Pittsburgh#Use_case_discussion_9:00-10:30_.2B_11:00-12:30
[PENDING] ACTION: emma, kcoyle, GordonD, Marcia, bvatant to
structure the discussion of use cases in light of the topic list
[recorded in
[45]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/23-lld-minu
tes.html#action01]
[PENDING] ACTION: Topic owners to check table and think about
supplying additional use-cases [recorded in
[46]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minu
tes.html#action04]
[PENDING] ACTION: Use-case owner(s) to check table and matches
[recorded in
[47]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minu
tes.html#action03]
[45] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/23-lld-minutes.html#action01
[46] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minutes.html#action04
[47] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minutes.html#action03
[DONE] ACTION: Alexander to create wiki page for identifying
requirements [recorded in
[48]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minu
tes.html#action06]
[DONE] ACTION: Any proposed changes to agenda for joint meeting with
DC Architecture Forum
([49]http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/JointMeeting2010), please email
TomB [recorded in
[50]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minu
tes.html#action01]
[DONE] ACTION: Everyone to elaborate on topics in the wiki [recorded
in
[51]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minu
tes.html#action08]
[DONE] ACTION: Karen to export spreadsheet, and Asaf to convert to
wiki table [recorded in
[52]http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minu
tes.html#action02]
[48] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minutes.html#action06
[49] http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/wiki/JointMeeting2010
[50] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minutes.html#action01
[51] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/07/08-lld-minutes.html#action08
[52] http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/lld/minutes/2010/09/30-lld-minutes.html#action02
[End of minutes]
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