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Re: OneSocialWeb Project Status

From: ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program <metadataportals@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 14:37:43 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <351528.74423.qm@web113812.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
To: "Simon Tennant \(buddycloud\)" <simon@buddycloud.com>
Cc: W3C Federated Social Web Incubator <public-xg-federatedsocialweb@w3.org>, Daniel VF-GroupAppelquist <Daniel.Appelquist@vodafone.com>, federated-social-web@googlegroups.com, onesocialweb@googlegroups.com
A framework by definition does not necessarily imply a one-size-fits-all solution.

Come up with a paradigm for social networking and a federated social web of interacting humans and distill from this a mathematical generalized framework which captures as many features, variables or parameters and then leaves which ones to incorporate up to criteria set by developers based on some kind of digital demographics of the actual end users of the proposed (federation of) social network(s).

Remember the infamous 1984 Apple Superbowl commercial introducing the Mackintosh?

Wasn't this all about the underdog (Apple) taking on behemoth IBM which dominated the computing world?

Now isn't it a strange spin of faith that with the iPod, iPad, iPhone and now the iCloud Apple has turned into a behemoth which is ignoring the rights of consumers to decide what they want for themselves?

The Apple iSuite (what I loosely call all of them together) is all about one size fits all and reminds me of the days when in China all men and women wore the same outfits.

The end users are far more intelligent than we think and we often give them too little credit, until they "start voting with their feet" and walk away from what they obviously do not like shoved down their throats.

Those digital demographics run along cultural and linguistic and often geographical lines, but are not to be mistaken for market segmentation when setting up targeted sales tactics.

Milton Ponson
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--- On Wed, 6/22/11, Simon Tennant (buddycloud) <simon@buddycloud.com> wrote:

From: Simon Tennant (buddycloud) <simon@buddycloud.com>
Subject: Re: OneSocialWeb Project Status
To: "ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program" <metadataportals@yahoo.com>
Cc: "W3C Federated Social Web Incubator" <public-xg-federatedsocialweb@w3.org>, "Daniel VF-GroupAppelquist" <Daniel.Appelquist@vodafone.com>, federated-social-web@googlegroups.com, onesocialweb@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 6:38 PM

I like the "what users want" part of that.

What I do fear is the one size fits all approach to these frameworks. 
All services have some basic elements: activity streams, followers,
following, posts.  Beyond that, they have very different business logic
and I've never seen anyone propose a solution and indeed don't think
it's often even possible to find an elegant mashing-together of the
different rules.

How would your framework deal with the different business logic between
sites/codebases?

S.


On 22/06/2011 16:06, ProjectParadigm-ICT-Program wrote:
> Wouldn't a general framework for federating social webs based on what users want instead of a technology make more sense? Combining SIOC standards, OMA standards, SemWeb and open source standards and the enabling technologies should automatically follow.
>
> Milton Ponson
> GSM: +297 747 8280
> PO Box 1154, Oranjestad
> Aruba, Dutch Caribbean
> Project Paradigm: A structured approach to bringing the tools for sustainable development to all stakeholders worldwide by creating ICT tools for NGOs worldwide and: providing online access to web sites and repositories of data and information for sustainable development
>
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> --- On Wed, 6/22/11, Appelquist, Daniel, VF-Group <Daniel.Appelquist@vodafone.com> wrote:
>
> From: Appelquist, Daniel, VF-Group <Daniel.Appelquist@vodafone.com>
> Subject: OneSocialWeb Project Status
> To: "W3C Federated Social Web Incubator" <public-xg-federatedsocialweb@w3.org>
> Cc: federated-social-web@googlegroups.com, onesocialweb@googlegroups.com
> Date: Wednesday, June 22, 2011, 1:11 PM
>
> Hello Federated Social Web peeps -
>
> I'm writing to let you all know what is happening with the OneSocialWeb
> project. As many of you know, this project was originally conceived by
> Laurent Eschenauer and Alard Weisscher in late 2009.  Along with Diana Cheng
> (and with some encouragement and cheerleading from myself and others in
> Vodafone R&D) they built the project up as a prototype of what you could do
> with XMPP in the federated social networking space. Unfortunately, due to
> some circumstances out of all of our control, Laurent and Alard had to leave
> Vodafone. At that point, we took the decision to continue the project with
> myself and Diana. During the past year we have kept the project going,
> including adding some new features (e.g. commenting) and we've also seen the
> open source community around OneSocialWeb grow, with a few
> community-developed clients (notably, the iPhone client).  We've also
> learned a lot about the federated social networking space both through the
> project and through participation in the burgeoning community.
>
> However, we have limited resources, and we have now taken the decision to
> concentrate what time we can spend on the federated social Web in the area
> of protocols and standards. This means we will not be actively updating the
> code base for OneSocialWeb (server or client), nor will we be adding
> features. We will Continue to work on the protocol, and will support any
> implementers (such as ProcessOne) and collaborate with them to improve it
> and expand it.  Our intention is to contribute the work we have done on XMPP
> extensions (e.g. Activity Streams over XMPP) into the relevant XMPP
> technical committees.
>
> Having said all that, all the code that has been produced is up there on
> GitHub.  I know that several projects have used the code to develop their
> own prototypes. It's our view that the OneSocialWeb open source community
> has not grown to the point where it can become self-sustaining, but if
> anyone would like to step forward to take ownership of the code-base we
> would be more than happy to discuss this.
>
> As we stated in the summit in Berlin, we are committed to making the FSW
> a reality, and we (Diana and I) will continue actively participating in the
> FSW incubator group and list and will con tribute to all the XMPP social
> specs, and not only OSW. We will also like to be there to facilitate in any
> way we can the work and activities of the FSW community.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan Appelquist
> Vodafone Group R&D
>


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