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Agenda: WS-Policy WG face-to-face meeting 42 - 2007-05-23 and 24

From: Christopher B Ferris <chrisfer@us.ibm.com>
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 09:17:04 -0400
To: public-ws-policy@w3.org
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Agenda: WS-Policy WG face-to-face meeting 42 - 2007-05-23 and 24

The phone number to use for the WS-Policy WG meetings is documented on the 
WG's administrative home page:
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/admin#phone

Participants are invited to join IRC channel #ws-policy as documented on 
the WG's administrative home page. Please register with Zakim:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2006Aug/0012.html

Logistics:
http://www.w3.org/2007/05/ws-policy-f2f-logistics.html

Wednesday 23 May, 2007 8:30 am - 5 pm ET - Chair: Chris

1. Breakfast (8:30 am ET)

2. Roll call and selection of secretary, Chair (9:00 am ET)

a) Scribe List:

TBD (Wed am)
Maryann Hondo (Wed pm)
Ashok Malhotra (Thu am)
Monica Martin (Thu pm)

----------------------
Dimitar Angelov
Sanjiva Weerawarana
Ruchith Fernando
Tom Jordahl
Vladislav Bezrukov
Symon Chang
Doug Davis
Jacques Durand
Steve Jones
Mohammad Makarechian
Jonathan Marsh
Arnaud Meyniel
Sanjay Patil
Skip Snow
Jeff Mischkinsky
Sanka Samaranayake
Chris Ferris
Mark Little
Glen Daniels
William Henry
Toufic Boubez
Anthony Nadalin
Daniel Roth
Fabian Ritzmann
Sergey Beryozkin
Charlton Barreto
David Orchard
Abbie Barbir
Dale Moberg
Felix Sasaki
Asir Vedamuthu
Frederick Hirsch
Mark Temple-Raston
Dale Moberg
Paul Knight
Yakov Sverdlov
Prasad Yendluri

b) Scribe FAQ (Updated)
Member only:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-ws-policy/2006Oct/0001.html

3. Review and approval of WG minutes, Chair (9:05 am ET)

a) Review and approval of draft May 16 minutes
http://www.w3.org/2007/05/16-ws-policy-minutes.html

4. Future WG meetings, Chair (9:10 am ET)

a) Future meetings
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/admin#meetings

b) Tue-Thu Jul 17-19 F2F meeting in Dublin hosted by Iona
http://www.w3.org/2007/07/ws-policy-f2f-logistics.html

c) Future f2f planning on f2f agenda Thursday pm

5. Editorial team report (9:15 am ET)
Current Editors drafts:
http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/policy/#drafts

b) Primer Editor's draft
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007May/0079.html
Status: WG Review due at F2F meeting.

6. Review action items, Chair (9:20 am ET)
Open action items:
Member only:
http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/wspolicy/actions/open

ACTION-279      OPEN    And Paul to engage Bob Freund on Toms points 
Christopher Ferris      2007-05-23
Status: on-going

ACTION-286      OPEN    Work with Tom and Monica and anyone else 
interested in developing 
assertion author guidelines related to nested policy vis a vis this new 
understanding 
of nested policy vocabulary     Maryann Hondo   2007-05-24

ACTION-296      OPEN    And Chris to add agendum to cover the discussion 
around action 286       Paul Cotton     2007-05-16
DONE: 

7. WS-Policy Call for Implementations, Chair (9:25 am ET)

a) Interop Agenda
        
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy-interop/2007May/0012.html

b) Interop scenarios

        i) Release-1-20070322
        
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0114.html

        ii) Release-2-20070501
        
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007May/0010.html
                and
        
http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/interop/?only_with_tag=Release-2-20070501


c) CR dashboard summary
http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/interop/results/dashboard-summary.html?only_with_tag=Release-1-20070322


d) ACTION-290 Ashok to open an issue for the namespace problems in the 
WSDL 1.1 external attachment tests
DONE:
        http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4522
Asir's reply:
        
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007May/0051.html

e) Interop issues
        
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007May/0233.html
        
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007May/0225.html
        http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4571
        http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4572
        http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4568
        http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4567

f) Bugzilla list:
        http://tinyurl.com/22xybz

g) Other interop related items 

7. What is the Vocabulary of an Intersected Policy, Ashok (9:35 am ET)
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Apr/0065.html
Dan's reply:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007May/0009.html
Felix's reply:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007May/0093.html

ACTION-297 Asir to provide an proposal that adds an example to 4.5 Policy 
Intersection that 
calls out the non-matching case from Ashok\\'s email
DONE: 
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007May/0173.html
Status: lengthy discussion on previous telcon did not yield consensus. The 
following
questions apply to the discussion:
        Q1: Does the WG agree with Dan's answer in msg 009? 
        Q2: Does the WG accept the example for section 4.5 in msg 173? 
        Q3: Is there need for another example as per msg 009 (Fabian's 
point)?

Updated examples from Asir:
        
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007May/0210.html

8. Break (10:15 am ET)

9. What is the Vocabulary of an Intersected Policy (continued), Ashok 
(10:35 am ET)

10. Issue 4544: policy vocabulary, will not be applied, oh my! Chris 
Ferris (11:00 am ET)
NOTE: Because Chris has taken an interest and position on this, Paul will 
chair this agendum.

Chris filed new issue: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4544

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007May/0003.html
Monica's questions:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007May/0012.html
Chris's proposal:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007May/0055.html
(monster thread ensues)
Chris's follow-up addressing some of the questions:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007May/0097.html
Chris's latest proposal:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007May/0181.html

Status: We will pick up the discussion from where we left off on May 16. 
this item will be updated with pertinent threads thru May 22.

11. Lunch (12:00 noon ET)

12. David Hull's CR issues discussion (1:00 pm ET)

a) Comments on "normal form" of policy expressions, David Hull
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007May/0000.html

b) [Bug 4552] Collections: Sets, bags or something else? David Hull
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007May/0001.html
Asir's reply:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007May/0007.html
Latest in thread: 
        
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007May/0239.html

ACTION-294 Ashok to open a CR issue with text to define "collection"
DONE. See:
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4552

c) [Bug 4556] Editorial issues, David Hull
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007May/0002.html
Asir's reply:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007May/0006.html

ACTION-295 Asir to open a CR issue to address the first item in message 
2007May/0002.
DONE: http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4556
 
d) [Bug 4553] Exact meaning of "all of the assertions in both 
alternatives"
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4553

e) [Bug 4554] Configurability and comformance of intersection algorithm
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4554
Note from Asir:
        
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007May/0200.html

f) [Bug 4555] Should policy intersection be called policy intersection?
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4555

13. Issue 4544: policy vocabulary, will not be applied, oh my! Chris 
Ferris (continued) (2:15 pm ET)
Note: drinking game rules will be engaged if this is not resolved :-)

14. Break (3:00 pm ET)

15. CR issues (3:20 pm ET)

a) Bugzilla list:
        http://tinyurl.com/yp9wp6 

a) [Bug 4558] Scalability and performance problems with expressing 
allo..., David O 
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4558
See thread beginning at:
        
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007May/0202.html

b) [Bug 4559] Versioning: Requests for Expired Services, Monica
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4559

c) [Bug 4561] clarification of domain-specific processing, Chris
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4561

16. Primer Document

a) Bugzilla list:
        http://tinyurl.com/2a5uwj

b) [Bug 4559] Versioning: Requests for Expired Services, Monica
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4559

c) Should we publish the latest draft?
        
http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2006/ws/policy/ws-policy-primer.html?content-type=text/html;%20charset=utf-8

17. Liaison items (4:00 pm ET)

a) WS-Addressing request for second LC review of revised Metadata spec
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007May/0199.html
Status: note from Asir: 
 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007May/0240.html

b) WS-Addressing Metadata issues: 4374, 4375, and 4376
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0044.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0045.html
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0046.html
Status: This issues are on hold until the WS-A WG makes more progress.

ACTION-279 Chris and Paul to engage Bob Freund on Tom's points about 
WS-Addressing Metatdata work
Status: In progress. We will deal with these issues after the WS-A 
Metadata goes CR.

c) Policy Framework and Policy Domain division of labor, and the 'absent 
policies are present as negations' principle, Dale Moberg
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Apr/0075.html

18. Recess (5:00 pm ET)

Dinner at Paul's home (6:30 pm ET)
http://maps.live.com/?v=2&sp=Point.rjtjzg8ppg5d_17%20Eleanor%20Dr%2C%20Ottawa%20ON%2C%20Canada___&encType=1

Thursday 24 May, 2007 (8:30 am - 5 pm ET) Chair: Paul

1. Breakfast (8:30 am ET)

2. Guidelines issues, Part 1 (9:00 am ET)

a) Bugzilla list:
        http://tinyurl.com/ywtogs

b) Editorial review of new Best Practices
@@@ link TBD

c) Editorial plan for Issue 3989
See plan in the following report:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Apr/0102.html

d) [Bug 3988]: Section 8 doesn't illustrate how to design an assertion., 
Asir
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3988
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0112.html
Email discussion thread:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0000.html
Status: Awaiting progress on new EDs with best practices reflected

e) [Bug 4566]: Guideline G2 to be reconsidered, Toufic
        http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4566
 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007May/0214.html

3. Break (10:15 am ET)

4. Guidelines issues, Part 2 (10:35 am ET)

a) [Bug 3978]: Clarify if Section 7 on defining new policy attachment 
mechanisms is necessary, Dan Roth
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=3978
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Nov/0102.html

ACTION-259 Maryann Hondo to provide a revised proposal for Issue 3978.
DONE. See:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Mar/0112.html

ACTION-273 Maryann to send a diff version of the proposed changes to the 
Guidelines document re issue 3978
DONE.  See:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Apr/0016.html

b) [Bug 4074]: [Guidelines] Collection of unclear Guidance or text issues, 
Dan
http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4074
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2006Dec/0053.html

ACTION-260 Maryann Hondo to provide revised proposal for 4074
DONE. See:
http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Apr/0020.html

5. Lunch (12:00 noon ET)

6. Guideline issues, Part 2 (continued) (1:00 pm ET)

7. Debrief from Interop Team (2:00 pm ET)

8. Break (3:00 pm ET)

9. Any other business

10. Adjournment

Christopher Ferris
STSM, Software Group Standards Strategy
email: chrisfer@us.ibm.com
blog: http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/blogs/page/chrisferris
phone: +1 508 377 9295
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