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RE: NEW ISSUE (4263) [Primer] Inform domain specific processing of ignorability of assertions

From: Asir Vedamuthu <asirveda@microsoft.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:19:55 -0800
To: "Yalcinalp, Umit" <umit.yalcinalp@sap.com>, Fabian Ritzmann <Fabian.Ritzmann@Sun.COM>
CC: Frederick Hirsch <frederick.hirsch@nokia.com>, "public-ws-policy@w3.org" <public-ws-policy@w3.org>
Message-ID: <C9BF0238EED3634BA1866AEF14C7A9E534E575DA4D@NA-EXMSG-C116.redmond.corp.microsoft.com>

On the Jan 31st WG conference call, Glen made a similar proposal (scrapping from the minutes):

'Domain-specific processing could take advantage of any information from the policy data model, such as the ignorable property of a policy assertion'.

It appears that either Glen or Umit's proposal works. From a reader point of view, Glen's proposal sounds cleaner.

Regards,

Asir S Vedamuthu
Microsoft Corporation


-----Original Message-----
From: Yalcinalp, Umit [mailto:umit.yalcinalp@sap.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2007 12:16 PM
To: Fabian Ritzmann; Asir Vedamuthu
Cc: Frederick Hirsch; public-ws-policy@w3.org
Subject: RE: NEW ISSUE (4263) [Primer] Inform domain specific processing of ignorability of assertions

How about something like the following:

{Policy Data model is available to domain-specific processing that may
take into account any aspect of the datamodel, such as the wsp:Ignorable
attribute.}

--umit


> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-ws-policy-request@w3.org
> [mailto:public-ws-policy-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Fabian Ritzmann
> Sent: Tuesday, Feb 06, 2007 11:54 AM
> To: Asir Vedamuthu
> Cc: Frederick Hirsch; public-ws-policy@w3.org
> Subject: Re: NEW ISSUE (4263) [Primer] Inform domain specific
> processing of ignorability of assertions
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I agree that any domain-specific processing would see Ignorable
> attributes because they are part of the policy assertion.
> Maybe we could
> just add something simple to the end of the section like:
>
> "Domain-specific processing is aware of whether the assertions it is
> processing were marked as Ignorable since they are part of
> the assertion's data model."
>
>
> Fabian
>
>
> Asir Vedamuthu wrote:
> >> "Domain specific processing should be made aware of
> whether assertions
> >> it is processing were marked as ignorable
> >>
> >
> > Ignorable property of a policy assertion is captured in the
> policy data model [1]. Policy intersection is computed at the
> policy data model level and the parts of a policy assertion
> is visible to domain specific processing. It is not clear
> what additional information should be passed to domain
> specific processing beyond these?
> >
> > [1] "An assertion MAY indicate that it is an ignorable
> policy assertion (see 4.4 Ignorable Policy Assertions)" -
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2006/WD-ws-policy-20061117/#rPolicy_Assertion
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Asir S Vedamuthu
> > Microsoft Corporation
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: public-ws-policy-request@w3.org
> [mailto:public-ws-policy-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Frederick Hirsch
> > Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2007 2:22 PM
> > To: public-ws-policy@w3.org
> > Cc: Hirsch Frederick
> > Subject: NEW ISSUE (4263) [Primer] Inform domain specific
> processing of ignorability of assertions
> >
> >
> > Bugzilla: <http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=4263>
> >
> > The new text added to primer on ignorable (as in issue 4041
> and noted in
> > resolution  <http://www.w3.org/2007/01/18-ws-policy-
> > irc#T22-08-44-1> ) should
> > include explanation that domain specific processing should
> be aware of
> > ignorable marking of assertion. (Thread about proposal for 4041 at
> > <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-policy/2007Jan/
> > 0187.html> )
> >
> > Proposal:
> >
> > Add  following text proposed to be added at end of new section 3.4.1
> > Strict and
> > Lax Policy Intersection
> >
> > "Domain specific processing should be made aware of whether
> > assertions it is
> > processing were marked as ignorable since that may impact domain
> > specific
> > processing."
> >
> > [Note that this proposal is different from the following text which
> > was removed
> > from the original proposal for 4041
> >
> > "When domain specific processing is to be performed in strict mode,
> > it is up to
> > that domain specific processing to interpret the Ignorable
> > rattribute. In lax
> > mode it is not relevant since ignorable assertions are not passed to
> > the domain
> > specific processing step of the intersection algorithm."]
> >
> > regards, Frederick
> >
> > Frederick Hirsch
> > Nokia
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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