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RE: WS Choreography Deliverables

From: Ugo Corda <UCorda@SeeBeyond.com>
Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:54:14 -0800
Message-ID: <EDDE2977F3D216428E903370E3EBDDC9032B8A2F@MAIL01.stc.com>
To: "Jeff Mischkinsky" <jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com>, "Burdett, David" <david.burdett@commerceone.com>, "Burdett, David" <david.burdett@commerceone.com>, "WS Choreography (E-mail)" <public-ws-chor@w3.org>
Cc: "WS Chor Editors (E-mail)" <member-ws-chor-editors@w3.org>

I would think that the mapping should be normative only if it relates to
critical interoperability and portability issues. But I cannot see such
a case so far, particularly given the fact that this mapping would
probably just provide a skeleton of the actual BPEL (or other) program,
and the skeleton would still need to be filled out in ways that are
outside the domain of the mapping itself. What would a normative stance
buy us?

A normative aspect, of course, would still be that the behavior of any
generated program should be consistent with the associated choreography.

Ugo

> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-ws-chor-request@w3.org 
> [mailto:public-ws-chor-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Mischkinsky
> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 8:15 PM
> To: Burdett, David; Burdett, David; WS Choreography (E-mail)
> Cc: WS Chor Editors (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: WS Choreography Deliverables
> 
> 
> 
> At 01:47 PM 1/29/2004, Burdett, David wrote:
> 
> >It would be normative in that it is the definitive authority. So if 
> >there
> >were was (which we hope not) an inconsistency between the 
> "Primer" and the 
> >"Descrption Language" specs then the Description Language 
> spec should be 
> >relied on.
> >
> >... or are you asking about the generating process language 
> definitions
> >from CDL ... in that case, I (and I also think the other 
> editors) have not 
> >formed any clear view although we all thought that the 
> potential value 
> >meant that we should discuss the idea on the list.
> 
> I was asking about the mapping/generation description from cdl to a 
> concrete execution/programming language.
> 
> I have to think about whether it should be an example (proof 
> of concept) or 
> a normative specification of exactly how to do such a 
> mapping. It's worth 
> some discussion.
> 
> cheers,
>     jeff
> 
> 
> >David
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Jeff Mischkinsky
> >[<mailto:jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com>mailto:jeff.mischkinsky@
> oracle.com]
> >Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:40 AM
> >To: Burdett, David; WS Choreography (E-mail)
> >Cc: WS Chor Editors (E-mail)
> >Subject: Re: WS Choreography Deliverables
> >
> >At 11:18 PM 1/28/2004, Burdett, David wrote:
> > >As promised in the conference call on Tuesday, here's the draft of 
> > >the WS Choreography Deliverables document that describes what the 
> > >editors think should be the deliverables of the group. It 
> identifies two main documents:
> > >    * A "WS Choreography Primer", which would be non-normative
> > >    * A "WS Choreography Description Language", which would be 
> > >normative It also identifies one possible additional document that 
> > >would describe how to generate process language definitions (e.g. 
> > >BPEL) for a role from a Choreography Definition.
> >
> >Would that be normative or more in the nature of an informative 
> >appendix or note?
> >
> >cheers,
> >    jeff
> >
> > >
> > >Comments are welcome.
> > >
> > >David
> > >
> > >
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commerceone. 
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> >
>
>Jeff Mischkinsky                      jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com
>Consulting Member Technical Staff     +1(650)506-1975
>Director, Web Services Standards      500 Oracle Parkway M/S 4OP9
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Jeff Mischkinsky                      jeff.mischkinsky@oracle.com
Consulting Member Technical Staff     +1(650)506-1975
Director, Web Services Standards      500 Oracle Parkway M/S 4OP9
Oracle Corporation                    Redwood Shores, CA 94065
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