From: Andrew Berry <andyb@whyanbeel.net>

Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:26:04 +1000

Cc: "Howard N Smith" <howard.smith@ontology.org>, <public-ws-chor@w3.org>, <W.M.P.v.d.Aalst@tm.tue.nl>

To: "Greg Meredith" <gregmer@microsoft.com>

Message-Id: <D2DFBFEA-1DA7-11D8-8D1D-0003936786BC@whyanbeel.net>

Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2003 21:26:04 +1000

Cc: "Howard N Smith" <howard.smith@ontology.org>, <public-ws-chor@w3.org>, <W.M.P.v.d.Aalst@tm.tue.nl>

To: "Greg Meredith" <gregmer@microsoft.com>

Message-Id: <D2DFBFEA-1DA7-11D8-8D1D-0003936786BC@whyanbeel.net>

Greg, I cannot agree that pi calculus has an adequate model of partial state for distributed systems. In a distributed system, partial state is fundamentally tied to locality: the processes associated with a locality define a partial state. Attempting to model this in vanilla pi calculus leads to problems with composability because two processes with distinct locality cannot synchronise on names. We therefore need to introduce new semantics to restrict synchronisation. While I understand that you can model distributed synchronisation in pi, this modelling occurs over and above the base semantics of pi calculus and does not remove the basic problem that you cannot compose processes without knowledge of their locality and the implied restriction on synchronisation. Ciao, AndyB On Tuesday, November 18, 2003, at 02:23 AM, Greg Meredith wrote: > Andrew, > > You raise important concerns for workflow. i completely agree with you > that a decent account of workflow must address locality/distribution > and > partial state. But, i must beg to differ on your analysis of the > pi-calculus with regards to partial state. > > First, the notion of state must be identified with process in the > pi-calculus. Intuitively, a state is represented by what the process > can > do based on what it "knows", i.e. what actions it is willing to engage > in, given what names are in scope. A really good example to consider is > modeling a cell where you can store a value. (See, > http://www.lfcs.informatics.ed.ac.uk/reports/91/ECS-LFCS-91-180/ECS- > LFCS > -91-180.ps, page 35.) > > Consider a collection, P_i, of processes. Since each process represents > a state, then an aggregate, or partitioned state may be represented by > the parallel composition of the P_i's, P = P_0 | P_1 | ... | P_N. > > Notice that in any standard reduction rules for pi-calculus, the rule > for reduction in the parallel composition context will allow these > processes to reduce independently. Thus, > > P_0 | P_1 | ... | P_N ->* P_0 | ... | P_j' | ... | P_k' | ... | P_N. > > State change has not happened all at once for all of P. Bit's and > pieces > of it have updated, but not the whole thing. You would have to > introduce > a protocol, e.g., 2PCPA, amongst the participants of P to get certain > kinds of atomicity and isolation guarantees regarding the visibility of > state change. Fortunately, 2PCPA *is* a protocol and as such can be > well > described in pi (see Berger and Honda's paper for a treatment of this, > ftp://ftp.dcs.qmw.ac.uk/lfp/kohei/express00.ps.gz). Therefore, the > agents providing this protocol can be composed with the agents of P to > give the overall semantics desired. > > Note that, since this introduces a coding overhead, various researchers > in the process algebra community have added primitives to the calculus > to abstract this coding. This foreshadows a more general point i want > to > make that can be illustrated by considering the issue of modeling > locality/distribution. > > i completely agree that locality and distribution are notions almost > completely lacking in plain vanilla pi-calculus. Unfortunately, i think > that a terrible type/token confusion takes over in these discussions. > It > should be plainly obvious that barebones, plain pi-calculus cannot be > used for serious applications like workflow without considerable > enrichment. For example, > > 1. real workflow applications will describe message flows branching on > numeric computation; the pi-calculus doesn't have a useable theory of > numeric computation; and the encodings of numbers to be found-- though > quite intriguing-- would simply be too arduous with which to code; > 2. real workflow applications will describe message flows with complex > message structure, e.g. messages with structure like XML documents; > neither monadic nor polyadic pi-calculus is up to this task; > 3. real workflow applications require that there is not a global name > manager; plain vanilla pi-calculus requires that there *is* one; > 4. real workflow applications are probably not going to require a > heavy-weight protocol to ensure-- in a distributed setting-- the > summation semantics the pi-calculus delineates. > > That said, the pi-calculus provides a *framework* in which to develop > the appropriate formalism. This framework is objectively and > demonstrably different from the other models of computation put > forward. > And, it is better suited to the modeling of domains like workflow than > any other model put forward so far. i will return to this point in a > moment. > > So, as long as we recognize that the pi-calculus is really a stand in > for the class of mobile process algebras, then we are much more likely > to achieve an understanding of how the pi-calculus can genuinely help > model scenarios in the workflow domain. With respect to distribution > and > locality, there are several very variations of the pi-calculus that > provide very useful accounts of these notions. For example, > Vasconselos, > et al, recently developed lsd-pi which addresses distribution in a > typed > setting (http://www.di.fc.ul.pt/~vv/papers/02-4.pdf). Another approach > to these problems is found in the join-calculus of Fournet > (http://www.cs.unibo.it/~laneve/papers/bisim.ps), et al. Another > approach is found in the work of Wischik, et al, on explicit fusions > (http://www.cs.unibo.it/~laneve/papers/fm-eabs-concur02.ps). > > Just as you will have to adapt the framework to provide a variant that > deals with complex message structure, you will have to adapt the > framework to provide a variant that deals with distribution. There are > several flavors. Try a few on a few problems and see which one is > better > suited. If none are suited, that's wonderful, we have discovered > something! > > Now, as for the suitability of the framework to this domain, it turns > out that the mobile process algebras are the first model of computation > to simultaneously enjoy four features > > 1. completeness -- i.e. Turing complete > 2. compositionality -- the model is an algebra, the practical advantage > of which is that large(r) programs are built from small(er) ones > 3. concurrency -- the model has an explicit account of autonomous > execution > 4. cost -- the model has an explicit account of resources like time and > space > > Turing machines, for example, fail on features 2 and 3. > Lambda calculus fails on 3 and 4. > Petri nets fail on 2. > CCS, CSP fail on 4. > > And, of course, each one of these also has the very same issue in that > they are abstractions, frameworks, not ready-made models, and will have > to be adapted to fit the domain. For example, it would be much too > onerous to use Church numerals (ala lambda calculus) to do the > arithmetic calculations on which to make workflow decisions. > > Noting that the pre-mobile process algebras only lack a notion of cost, > it is most instructive to see how the introduction of mobility > simultaneously provides many important features of both practical and > theoretical import. For example, an account of space consumption of a > program is available in pi (and its variants): count the fresh names > generated by a computation. It is also quite necessary as a practical > feature in workflow. Consider the following scenario. > > Consumer goes to a well known port of Provider (www.amazon.com) and > emits a message containing a port (consumer@msn.com) at which she would > like to be contacted for further interaction. Provider processes > consumers message, contacts Shipper and emits a messages to Consumer > with, among other things, the port (www.ups.com/tracking) where > Consumer > may see the status of her purchase. > > It is very difficult to model this without mobility. But, this scenario > is all over the place in workflow. It is especially prevalent in > situations involving a broker-- which is one of the most dominant > patterns to be found in the domain. > > In my brief experience with the domain i have found that the four > features outlined above constitute a bare minimum of requirements of > the > computational model necessary to model workflow without imposing undue > labor on the part of the modeler. The mobile process algebras are > objectively, the first models of computation to enjoy these properties > simultaneously. > > Very likely, now that we have examples of models that enjoy these > properties together we will come up with new and better ones. But, the > only way i know how to do that is to go about the job of modeling real > application scenarios with the best technology available and seeing > where the technology falls short, and then, seeing what it takes (from > minor tweak to paradigm shift) to account for what's actually happening > or needs to happen in the application. > > Best wishes, > > L.G. Meredith > > P.S. There is a coda to this discussion regarding the difference > between > modeling workflow and providing *public descriptions* of a flow. A > model > may be quite detailed and provide information about implementation and > strategy that a business is not interested in revealing to its > customers > or competitors. A public description has one primary function -- to > facilitate search and discovery. Given this distinction, the language > in > which public descriptions are expressed should *not* be complete. > > Fortunately, in this connection, the mobile process algebras present > another distinguishing characteristic. Over the past decade, a notion > of > behavioral typing has emerged and been effected in the mobile process > algebra setting. The languages for these types have exactly the right > properties to be used as the basis for public descriptions of > processes. > See my recent paper in the ACM for a more detailed discussion of these > points. > (http://portal.acm.org/ > citation.cfm?id=944217.944236&coll=portal&dl=ACM& > idx=J79&part=magazine&WantType=Magazines&title=CACM) > > -----Original Message----- > From: public-ws-chor-request@w3.org > [mailto:public-ws-chor-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Andrew Berry > Sent: Monday, November 17, 2003 2:57 AM > To: Howard N Smith > Cc: public-ws-chor@w3.org; W.M.P.v.d.Aalst@tm.tue.nl > Subject: Re: New Paper available for PDF download: Workflow is just a > Pi > process (or WFM is not BPM) > > > Howard, > > You have a fundamental problem with the choice of Pi Calculus: there is > no concept of locality or partial state. In choreography and web > services in general, you can guarantee that participants (processes) > are physically distributed and need to make choices based on a partial > view of state. To successfully model, program and reason about these > processes, you need to be able to identify and reason about partial > states. > > Consider your deferred choice semantics. If the processes identified > as choices are physically distributed, you *cannot* make a choice > without synchronisation of processes because distinct choices can be > made in a truly concurrent fashion. Pi Calculus has no way of > identifying this issue, let alone reasoning about it. Explicit > synchronisation processes, while solving the problem for a given > process, require that the programmer reason about distribution and > locality outside the bounds of the Pi Calculus semantics. I would > therefore argue that a worflow and in particular a choreography is not > a Pi Process. > > Ciao, > > AndyB > > > On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 03:00 AM, Howard N Smith wrote: > >> >> Choreography pioneers, >> >> Following a short conversation with Steve R-T, he agreed for me to >> send you this paper. >> It is intended as a draft for discussion. >> >> The paper is new information. It shows how, based on BPML, it is >> possible to model all >> of the advanced workflow patterns identified by workflow theorists, >> whereas most workflow >> engines only support approx 50% of patterns directly and very few of >> the advanced patterns. >> In addition, it gives insights into the BPML implementation inherent >> to a BPMS, and how a >> BPMS is able to support many process models not supported by workflow >> technology. >> Screenshots from Intalio|n3 BPMS are given as examples. Further, the >> workflow engine itself can >> be modelled in BPML, as reusable processes for use in end-to-end >> processes. The paper was >> written to more fully explain the work of BPMI.org and its direction >> in creating BPMS foundation >> technologies. >> >> Peter Fingar and I have taken great care with this paper, and do hope >> it adds to the >> understanding of BPML/BPMI/BPMS direction. While the paper cannot >> present proof of >> these claims, you can consider it a report on the work so far. >> >> The paper can be downloaded from: >> >> http://www.bpm3.com/picalculus/workflow-is-just-a-pi-process.pdf >> >> Regards, >> >> Howard >> >> >> --- >> >> New Book - Business Process Management: The Third Wave >> www.bpm3.com >> >> Howard Smith/CSC/BPMI.org >> cell +44 7711 594 494 (worldwide) >> home office +44 20 8660 1963 >> >Received on Sunday, 23 November 2003 06:27:21 UTC

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