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RE: Abstract Bindable Choreography

From: Stephen White <swhite@SeeBeyond.com>
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 15:51:24 -0800
Message-ID: <EDDE2977F3D216428E903370E3EBDDC993190E@MAIL01.stc.com>
To: "Martin Chapman" <martin.chapman@oracle.com>, "Ricky Ho" <riho@cisco.com>, "Burdett, David" <david.burdett@commerceone.com>, "WS Choreography (E-mail)" <public-ws-chor@w3.org>

The publicly released draft of the BPMN specification can be found here:

http://bpmi-notation-wg.netfirms.com/Documents/NWG-2002-11-02R1%20BPMN%200-9-1.pdf

There have been some recent changes to BPMN that are reflected in the diagrams I have posted. There should be a draft of the 1.0 version of the specification soon.

An updated summary chapter (chapter 3) has been posted here:

http://bpmi-notation-wg.netfirms.com/Documents/BPMN%20Section%203.pdf

Any questions that anyone has about BPMN can be directed to me.

-Steve



-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Chapman [mailto:martin.chapman@oracle.com]
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 3:11 PM
To: Stephen White; 'Ricky Ho'; 'Burdett, David'; 'WS Choreography (E-mail)'
Subject: RE: Abstract Bindable Choreography

Is there a reference to where this notation is defined?

Martin.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stephen White [mailto:swhite@SeeBeyond.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 1:45 PM
> To: Ricky Ho; Martin Chapman; Burdett, David; WS Choreography (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: Abstract Bindable Choreography
>
>
> In terms of using diagrams for helping to understanding the
> use cases, I would like to recommend using BPMN, which is a
> standard being developed by BPMI. This form of diagramming is
> being developed by business analysts to promote easy
> understanding of internal and B2B (choreography) business
> processes and their relationships. Technical mappings from
> the diagrams to XML languages are being developed for BPEL4WS
> and BPML. Mappings to specifications like WSCI are planned
> and certainly the output of the Choreography Working Group
> would mapped by the developers of BPMN.
>      
> I have sent in some examples of these diagrams for some of
> the use cases.
>
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-chor/2003Apr/0062.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-chor/2003Apr/0059.html
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ws-chor/2003Mar/0228.html
>
> Any comments?
>
> -Steve
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ricky Ho [mailto:riho@cisco.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 12:52 PM
> To: Martin Chapman; 'Burdett, David'; 'WS Choreography (E-mail)'
> Subject: RE: Abstract Bindable Choreography
>
>
> I think David's XML model serve the purpose of the
> choreography definition and I don't see why it can't be a
> potential candidate for our choice.  I don't think David is
> proposing a diagram notation, it is just for helping to
> understand his example.
>
> Rgds, Ricky
>
> At 10:11 AM 4/4/2003 -0800, Martin Chapman wrote:
>
> >David,
> >
> >I have a strong feeling that you can get what you want by exstiing
> >technologies such as UML. In the past I have used use cases and
> >activity diagrams to express reusable interactions between parties.
> >Diagramtic notations are explicitly out of scope of our charter, and
> >I'm not sure if there is any benefit in a specific xml language  to
> >express the same thing.
> >
> >Martin.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: public-ws-chor-request@w3.org
> > > [mailto:public-ws-chor-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Burdett, David
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 11:09 AM
> > > To: WS Choreography (E-mail)
> > > Subject: Abstract Bindable Choreography
> > >
> > >
> > > There has been some discussion around the idea of an abstract
> > > bindable choreography so I thought I would provide an
> example in the
> > > form of a diagram (PDF) which shows the flow associated with the
> > > placement of an order and an XML representation of the same in a
> > > declarative style. I strongly suggest you look at the
> diagram first.
> > >
> > > Comments welcome ;-)
> > >
> > > David
> > >  <<PlaceOrderChoreography.pdf>>  <<PlaceOrderChoreography.xml>>
> > >
> > > Director, Product Management, Web Services
> > > Commerce One
> > > 4440 Rosewood Drive, Pleasanton, CA 94588, USA
> > > Tel/VMail: +1 (925) 520 4422; Cell: +1 (925) 216 7704
> >mailto:david.burdett@commerceone.com; Web: http://www.commerceone.com
>
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