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RE: Visitors Guide to Vancouver - tabling anyone?

From: Paul Knight <paul.knight@nortel.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 17:05:13 -0500
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Dave,

Many thanks for the useful guide!  Definitely looking forward to my third visit to that wonderful city.

As an US citizen working for a Canadian company, I'm a bit surprised nobody has mentioned the opposing meanings of the word "table" with regard to the rules of order for a meeting:

- When a Canadian tables a motion, it is put on the table for discussion.
The Glossary of Parliamentary Procedures at the Canadian Parliament web site 
http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/about/process/house/glossary/glossary2004-e.htm defines "table" as follows:
table * (déposer) * To place a document before the House or a committee for consideration or consultation. * Synonym: lay on the table

- When someone from the US tables a motion, it is withdrawn from the table, for later consideration.

It's often amusing to watch this in action, when the same word has the opposite meaning.....
Most people in the US seem to be oblivious to the confusion.

I'd have to argue that the Canadian usage is correct, since it is the same as the UK usage.  (And obviously the Queen rules!)

Regards,
Paul
> -----Original Message-----
> From: public-ws-addressing-request@w3.org 
> [mailto:public-ws-addressing-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Tom Rutt
> Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 3:34 PM
> To: David Orchard
> Cc: Rogers, Tony; David Hull; public-ws-addressing@w3.org
> Subject: Re: Visitors Guide to Vancouver
> 
> 
> 
> David Orchard wrote:
> 
> >Huh.  On the "Wet coast", we often pronounce schedule with 
> the hard "k"
> >sound.  I wonder if that the "sh" version is a central 
> Canada thingy.  
> >  
> >
> The announces on "hocky night in Canada" (we got Canadian TV 
> in Detroit 
> as well) also said "shedule"
> 
> I guess they are from central Canada.
> 
> Just like US TV announcers typially sound like they are from Chicago 
> (except for the late Peter Jennings who kept a slight
> Canadian accent out of National pride).
> 
> Tom
> 
> >Dave
> >
> >  
> >
> >>-----Original Message-----
> >>From: Tom Rutt [mailto:tom@coastin.com]
> >>Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 12:19 PM
> >>To: David Orchard
> >>Cc: Rogers, Tony; David Hull; public-ws-addressing@w3.org
> >>Subject: Re: Visitors Guide to Vancouver
> >>
> >>David Orchard wrote:
> >>
> >>>Two shots, nice!
> >>>
> >>>Canadians generally do not consider themselves American, no more than
> >>>Massachusetts or Californian residents pride themselves on being
> >>>Alabamans or Texans.  And no more than Argentinian's or Brazillians
> >>>consider themselves "American" because they live in South America.
> >>>Different political entities and all that.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>One tip that I can readily offer is that if you would like to "go
> >>>native" in Canada, you can try a slightly different saying of words
> >>>that contain "out", starting with "out and about".  It 
> sounds almost
> >>>like "oot", as in "oot and aboot".
> >>>
> >>>      
> >>>
> >>I grew up in Detroit, which is a suburb of Windsor Ontario Canada.
> >>
> >>Since I am a native US american, I feel I should give my percieved
> >>pronounciation of "out and about" in Canadian
> >>
> >>it is more like "ouoot" and "abouut", ( actually halfway 
> between that
> >>and what Dave suggests).
> >>
> >>They also pronunce schedule as "shedule", just like our 
> British pals.
> >>
> >>Tom Rutt
> >>
> >>>  Another trick is to periodically end sentences with "eh".  One thing
 not to do, is to wear a backpack with a big Canadian flag.
> >>> 
> >Apparently that's mandatory gear for Americans traveling to Europe these days.
> >>>But people can always tell the difference, because Canadians of course
> >>>have a small Canadian flag on their back pack.
> >>>
> >>>Cheers,
> >>>
> >>>Dave
> >>>
> >-------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------
> >  
> >
> >>>*From:* Rogers, Tony [mailto:Tony.Rogers@ca.com]
> >>>*Sent:* Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:12 PM
> >>>*To:* David Hull; David Orchard
> >>>*Cc:* public-ws-addressing@w3.org
> >>>*Subject:* RE: Visitors Guide to Vancouver
> >>>
> >>>You really have to watch the Canadian spellings, too - most
> >>>English-speaking countries have "straits", but they have 
> "straights"
> >>>      
> >>>
> >-
> >>>any bets that their "straights" are narrow?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>:-)
> >>>

> >-------------------------------------------------------------
> -----------
> >  
> >
> >>>*From:* public-ws-addressing-request@w3.org on behalf of David Hull
> >>>*Sent:* Mon 09-Jan-06 17:08
> >>>*To:* David Orchard
> >>>*Cc:* public-ws-addressing@w3.org
> >>>*Subject:* Re: Visitors Guide to Vancouver
> >>>
> >>>Dave,
> >>>
> >>>Thanks for the writeup, and particularly the native's perspective.
> >>>      
> >>>
> >A
> >  
> >
> >>>few questions come to mind:
> >>>
> >>>    * Do people speak mainly Canadian there, or will they 
> understand
> >>>      English?
> >>>    * I notice that public parks are measured in hectares and speed
> >>>      limits in km/h, but seawalls are measured in miles.  
> Are there
> >>>      any other interesting non-metric measurements in use?
> >>>    * Will my CDs still play in Canada, or will they have to be
> >>>      converted to metric?
> >>>    * Do Canadians consider themselves American, and if not, what
> >>>      continent do they claim to live on?
> >>>
> >>>Seriously though, I still remember an incident from 
> fifteen years or
> >>>so ago at a service counter somewhere in the bowels of YYZ.  I was
> >>>coming back from the Netherlands and had plenty of time to make my
> >>>connection.  The gentleman ahead of me, also from the US, 
> was not so
> >>>fortunate.  Growing ever more irate, he told the clerk that he had
> >>>been at the gate N minutes before departure (I forget what value of
> >>>N).  The clerk informed him that he had need to be there 
> N+k minutes
> >>>before departure.  "No," the gentleman said, "the FAA regulations
> >>>      
> >>>
> >say
> >  
> >
> >>>N minutes."   "Sir," the clerk said, "it's N+k minutes," and then,
> >>>with a perfectly timed pause and icy politeness, "You're in a
> >>>different country, sir."
> >>>
> >>>David Orchard wrote:
> >>>
> >>>I've written up a Visitor's Guide to Vancouver at
> >>>
> >>>http://www.pacificspirit.com/VancouverGuide.html.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Hopefully this will provide some useful information for visitors.
> >>>      
> >>>
> >Let
> >  
> >
> >>>me know if you have any comments, criticisms, suggestions.  Bear in mind

> >>>I've been somewhat time constrained of late :-)
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Huge, Mark, can we get this linked to from the w3c wsa registration pages?
> >>>
> >>>Cheers,
> >>>Dave
> >>>
Received on Monday, 9 January 2006 22:05:24 GMT

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