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Re: mandatory action

From: Mark Nottingham <mark.nottingham@bea.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 12:22:04 +0200
Message-Id: <03301dd14341d8b805d1b75dde8ec08c@bea.com>
Cc: public-ws-addressing-comments@w3.org
To: Jacek Kopecky <jacek.kopecky@deri.org>

Jacek,

This LC issue was designated lc71 [1].

The Working Group has previously considered this as i031, "Making 
wsa:Action Optional" [2]. Although there were some parties who 
disagreed, we voted to maintain the status quo in the submission, which 
requires Action. You may be interested in the minutes of the meeting 
[3] where this decision took place.

As such, we don't find any new information in the issue you've raised, 
and have closed it with no action.

Regards,

1. http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/addr/lc-issues/#lc71
2. http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/addr/wd-issues/#i031
3. http://www.w3.org/2002/ws/addr/4/dec-f2f-minutes.html#item24


On May 3, 2005, at 4:45 PM, Jacek Kopecky wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> as an LC comment for WS-Addressing, I'd like to voice my disagreement
> with the decision in WS-Addressing that action IRI is mandatory in all
> WS-Addressing-compliant messages.
>
> The spec says "It is RECOMMENDED that the value of the [action] 
> property
> is an IRI identifying an input, output, or fault message within a WSDL
> port type. An action may be explicitly or implicitly associated with 
> the
> corresponding WSDL definition."
>
> This shows that WS-Addressing ascribes semantics to WSDL operations,
> which the WSDL specification doesn't currently warrant. I don't object
> to this particular assumption, but you should be aware that other WSDL
> users may have a different view.
>
> WSDL 2 contains an Operation Name Mapping Requirement [1] that assumes
> that the bodies of the messages in a single WSDL interface 
> unambiguously
> identify the operation, or that an extension is present that enables 
> the
> receiver of a message to identify the intended operation, and by
> extension (using the above assumption) identify the intended semantics.
>
> Therefore, if [action] identifies the input, output or fault within a
> WSDL interface, as RECOMMENDED, and if the default action pattern
> currently present in the WS-Addressing WSDL Binding draft [2] is used,
> and in fact if WS-Addressing action is not the mechanism for fulfilling
> the Operation Name Mapping Requirement, then [action] is redundant.
>
> That's a lot of ifs but given the current ways of generating WSDL that
> are known to me it seems like a very common scenario.
>
> If I was implementing a Web Services stack, I'd like it to allow the 
> use
> of WS-Addressing, but not require it. Therefore I'd choose to identify
> the intended semantics of messages in general from their bodies.
> Therefore WSDLs generated by this tooling would either not specify
> action (and thus recommend the use of the default action pattern) or
> simply put the same action, for example "http://example.com/dwim", on
> all messages, and by default ignore the action property in incoming
> messages.
>
> So I basically don't see a reason for [action] to be mandatory in
> WS-Addressing.
>
> I propose two options for a solution:
>
> 1) Factor [action] out of WS-Addressing, to a specification (called
> WS-Semantics?) that would be optionally combinable with WS-Addressing,
>
> 2) or make [action] optional, i.e. MAY-strength,
>
> and in both cases [action] should be formulated as an extension or
> feature to be used in WSDL 2 to fulfill the Operation Name Mapping
> Requirement, if the message bodies don't suffice.
>
> Best regards,
>
>                    Jacek Kopecky
>
>                    Ph.D. student researcher
>                    Digital Enterprise Research Institute
>                    University of Innsbruck
>                    http://www.deri.org/
>
>
> [1] 
> http://www.w3.org/TR/2004/WD-wsdl20-20040803/#Interface_OperationName
> [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/2005/WD-ws-addr-wsdl-20050215/#_Toc77464322
>
>
>
>
>

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