[wot-ig/wg] minutes - 18 December 2019

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  https://www.w3.org/2019/12/18-wot-minutes.html

also as text below.

Thanks a lot for taking the minutes, Daniel!

Kazuyuki

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   [1]W3C

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                               WoT-IG/WG

18 Dec 2019

   [2]Agenda

      [2] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#18_Dec_2019

Attendees

   Present
          Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Michael_Lagally,
          Dave_Raggett, David_Ezell, Kunihiko_Toumura,
          Takahisa_Suzuki, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Daniel_Peintner,
          Tomoaki_Mizushima, Ryuichi_Matsukura

   Regrets
          Sebastian

   Chair
          McCool

   Scribe
          dape

Contents

     * [3]Topics
         1. [4]Quick Updates
         2. [5]WG Charter
         3. [6]How to deal with minutes from the TF calls
         4. [7]Proposed Rec
         5. [8]F2F planning
         6. [9]Status binding templates document
         7. [10]Remaining calls in 2019 and first calls in 2020
         8. [11]New TFs
         9. [12]TF reports
     * [13]Summary of Action Items
     * [14]Summary of Resolutions
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   <kaz> scribenick: dape

Quick Updates

   McCool: In contact with Singapore Govtech
   ... planning meeting for January
   ... will setup call

   Lagally: Who is driving initiative ?

   McCool: me and other (discussions during meetup in Singapore)

   Lagally: Sounds interesting

   McCool: please send me email if you are interested

WG Charter

   <kaz> [15]updated Charter (the official version on the W3C
   server should be also updated)

     [15] http://w3c.github.io/wot/charters/wot-wg-charter-draft-2019.html

   McCool: the AC review ended today but the W3M meeting also
   occurs today
   ... and needed to send an agendra request for approval to W3M
   yesterday
   ... so requested 1-month extension to finalize the recharter
   procedure
   ... as for the AC review itself, got sufficient supporters
   ... added internal liason (IoT CG) and GS1 liason
   ... first meeting next year on Jan 8

   <kaz> [Note: McCool pointed out there was a typo within the
   proposed Charter, and Kaz has just fixed the typo (=missing
   closing bracket for "Interoperability Profiles")]

How to deal with minutes from the TF calls

   McCool: TF mintues have been sent to the Members list
   ... but got a request from a Member to send it to the public
   list
   ... IF we do that, we would only do it for the future minutes

   Lagally: Agree, going forward makes sense. Not for "old"
   minutes

   McCool: Should let people know first.... let's wait for
   feedback till the beginning of the next year
   ... will send out an email about that for people not attending
   this call

Proposed Rec

   McCool: static HTML is fixed
   ... W3M requested to have a transition call
   ... scheduling call was difficult.. might need to wait till Jan
   7th
   ... wait for confirmation of official charter, PR transition
   ... press release needs to wait
   ... suggest to organize marketing call with press release

F2F planning

   McCool: sent an email to Mozilla, Mountain view location
   ... proposed 2 weeks in March
   ... still on flight
   ... for Helsinki, Zoltan?

   Zoltan: We can host open day
   ... need to make reservation though
   ... need to decide about main venue
   ... down-town or close to Intel

   McCool: Should reach out to T2TRG also
   ... shall we setup wiki pages?

   Kaz: Yes

   McCool: Great, should create wiki pages for both the F2F
   meetings

   Zoltan: 9-12 June is conference
   ... beginning of June is better than July

   Kaz: will create wiki pages

   <kaz> ACTION: kaz to create wiki pages for March/June f2f
   meetings

Status binding templates document

   (Ege has trouble with audio connection and need to dial-in
   again; so this topic will be revisited later during the TF
   reports)

Remaining calls in 2019 and first calls in 2020

   McCool: believe we do not have any call this year

   Lagally: will have architecture this week to continue the
   lifecycle discussion

   McCool: OK, i see.. but no TD call
   ... first main call, Jan 8 or Jan 15?
   ... holidays in early January
   ... looks Jan 8 we might have main call
   ... update wiki to reflect the calls
   ... security Jan 13
   ... scripting Jan 13

   Lagally: architecture call, still waiting for outcome of doodle
   poll
   ... however, week of Jan 6
   ... will decide tomorrow

   McCool: TD call, not decided yet

   Kaz: Sebastian mentioned Jan 10 would be OK during the WoT
   Chairs call but let's leave it open for now

   McCool: plan to change marketing time also
   ... at the moment we could use Testing/Plugfest call... Jan 8

   Ege: I think doodle poll for marketing would be good

   McCool: agree, this is only tempory

   [Remaining calls in 2019]
   Architecture - Dec 19
   No other calls this year - no TD call Dec 20

   [First calls in 2020]
   Main call - Jan 8
   Security - Jan 13
   Scripting - Jan 13
   Thing Description - Jan 10? Discuss in Jan 8 main call
   Architecture - doodle TBD - week of Jan 6
   Marketing - use Testing/Plugfest slot temporarily, starting Jan
   8

New TFs

   McCool: lot of discussions about discovery
   ... can also collaborate with external groups
   ... need discovery time slot
   ... should setup doodle

   <inserted> (McCool and Kaz will have some more offline
   discussion, and then create a doodle poll)

TF reports

   McCool: Marketing, doodle in flight

   Kaz: Dave has already posted a blog post on the IG page

   <kaz> [16]Blog post on the IG page

     [16] https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/

   Dave: right
   ... also we need to plan for re-chartering and when documents
   proceed

   McCool: Scripting

   Zoltan: had a call on Monday
   ... outstanding PR for TD (version 1.1)
   ... data-schema vs content types
   ... we also discussed how to map errors

   Ege: doing PlugFest experiments might help to make a decision

   Zoltan: fingerprinting area
   ... need to keep that in mind

   McCool: errors are mentioned in swagger and also used in
   Mozilla environment

   Lagally: many aspects, some are related to profile

   Zoltan: please make comments to issue

   <zkis> [17]https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/200

     [17] https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/issues/200

   McCool: should continue discussion in scripting and
   architecture
   ... security TF
   ... update on lifecycle discussion
   ... wait for architecture changes/updates

   Lagally: Architecture call
   ... looked into lifecycle (with security)
   ... lifecycle goes beyond lifecycle of device
   ... looked into other standards
   ... plan to look into OCF and oneM2M

   McCool: stakeholder definitions from security might go to
   architecture
   ... TD TF?
   ... neither Taki nor Sebastian is here today

   Ege: mainly talked about binding templates
   ... binding templates draft is ready for review

   McCool: Can you send email that document is ready for review?
   ... suggest to plan resolution for publication on Jan 8

   <ege>
   [18]https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-binding-templat
   es/pull/82.html version with the latest PR and to be editors
   darft

     [18] https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/pull/82.html

   Kaz: binding templates is an updated WG Note, so I don't expect
   any problems

   Ege: lot of dicussion w.r.t. MQTT

   McCool: MQTT in current draft?

   Ege: yes
   ... how can we have request and response

   <ege> [19]https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues

     [19] https://github.com/w3c/wot-binding-templates/issues

   Ege: or about retain flag
   ... issues in binding templates
   ... MQTT is in the document, but not with these "advanced" use
   of MQTT in WoT

   Koster: take away: being more abstract in bindings
   ... cannot fully describe bindings... driver may take over

   <ege> [20]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Thing_Description

     [20] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Thing_Description

   Ege: marketing TF
   ... wikipedia draft gets pushed back
   ... will keep pinging

   McCool: AOB?
   ... next main call on Jan 8

   Kaz: quick note, 1 month extension for the current WoT WG
   Charter has been approved!

   [adjourned]

Summary of Action Items

   [NEW] ACTION: kaz to create wiki pages for March/June f2f
   meetings

Summary of Resolutions

   [End of minutes]
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