- From: Michael Lagally <Michael.Lagally@oracle.com>
- Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:27:18 +0200
- To: Benjamin Francis <bfrancis@mozilla.com>
- Cc: Sebastian Käbisch <sebastian.kaebisch@siemens.com>, "public-wot-wg@w3.org" <public-wot-wg@w3.org>, Public Web of Things IG <public-wot-ig@w3.org>, Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
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Hi Ben, (catching up after vacation) at the moment the discussion primarily happens in the joint WG/IG call on Wednesday, where we have profiles on the agenda for the next call. I believe at this early stage it is better to have realtime conversations among stakeholders which helps to avoid misunderstandings and allows to make progress faster. It would be great if you could join the call on Wednesday. Best regards, Michael > On 31. Jul 2019, at 20:13, Benjamin Francis <bfrancis@mozilla.com> wrote: > > Hi, > > I just wanted to comment that I like the general idea expressed in this deck. > > It would actually be helpful to have a GitHub issue so we can discuss the topic asynchronously. > > Thanks > > Ben > > On Tue, 16 Jul 2019 at 15:29, Michael Lagally <Michael.Lagally@oracle.com <mailto:Michael.Lagally@oracle.com>> wrote: > Hi Sebastian, > > we can use tomorrow’s main call for the discussion, which allows us to have a dialog vs just writing github comments. > > Best regards, > > Michael > > >> On 16. Jul 2019, at 16:23, Kaebisch, Sebastian <sebastian.kaebisch@siemens.com <mailto:sebastian.kaebisch@siemens.com>> wrote: >> >> Hi Michael L. and Michael K., >> >> thanks for sharing your proposal. However, we have some concerns about such direction. Is there an issue which we can use for discussion? Let’s avoid email ping-pong. >> >> BR >> Sebastian >> >> >> >> From: Michael Lagally <Michael.Lagally@oracle.com <mailto:Michael.Lagally@oracle.com>> >> Sent: Montag, 15. Juli 2019 11:04 >> To: public-wot-wg@w3.org <mailto:public-wot-wg@w3.org>; Public Web of Things IG <public-wot-ig@w3.org <mailto:public-wot-ig@w3.org>> >> Cc: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org <mailto:ashimura@w3.org>> >> Subject: Re: [wot-ig/wg] minutes - 10 July 2019 >> >> Dear WoT members, >> >> I just uploaded the slides with the "WoT Core Profile" proposal I presented during the call. >> >> https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/proposals/WoT%20Interoperability-Core%20Profile-final.pdf <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Fgithub.com-252Fw3c-252Fwot-252Fblob-252Fmaster-252Fproposals-252FWoT-2BInteroperability-2DCore-2BProfile-2Dfinal.pdf-26data-3D02-257C01-257Csebastian.kaebisch-2540siemens.com-257C60b1e39c1a6f4af9cc5e08d7090400c8-257C38ae3bcd95794fd4addab42e1495d55a-257C1-257C1-257C636987785106005107-26sdata-3DnF9RjFpKgSZnXlbbpFU0YT7T7-252F-252FQPFEMu5JTYPOapAU-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=AqjeMgkQCcDOy0ctVkQaKpiq99ncqsEEKNJ6WqvVNbE&m=ySkkWVZshs_ijAGY3o6-S18QzfrYTU7ZFzf5X2VX0LI&s=DHTWdEG84_Ryrtn8N5Kf9x7Tq7Wu6pa_pGoVTB0NUGU&e=> >> >> Please let me know if you have any questions. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Michael >> >> >> On 14. Jul 2019, at 10:04, Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org <mailto:ashimura@w3.org>> wrote: >> >> available at: >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.w3.org_2019_07_10-2Dwot-2Dminutes.html&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=AqjeMgkQCcDOy0ctVkQaKpiq99ncqsEEKNJ6WqvVNbE&m=eiHSQ6vcjFDSyzU68le409u3MAgzwpsEBVuAF8CIiTw&s=hCjMtAxRscBPHz_7Q82whg490YmxGhfdidUdSQZ2j9g&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Furldefense.proofpoint.com-252Fv2-252Furl-253Fu-253Dhttps-2D3A-5F-5Fwww.w3.org-5F2019-5F07-5F10-2D2Dwot-2D2Dminutes.html-2526d-253DDwIBaQ-2526c-253DRoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI-5FJnE-2526r-253DAqjeMgkQCcDOy0ctVkQaKpiq99ncqsEEKNJ6WqvVNbE-2526m-253DeiHSQ6vcjFDSyzU68le409u3MAgzwpsEBVuAF8CIiTw-2526s-253DhCjMtAxRscBPHz-5F7Q82whg490YmxGhfdidUdSQZ2j9g-2526e-253D-26data-3D02-257C01-257Csebastian.kaebisch-2540siemens.com-257C60b1e39c1a6f4af9cc5e08d7090400c8-257C38ae3bcd95794fd4addab42e1495d55a-257C1-257C0-257C636987785106015102-26sdata-3DPKiMVbqxLh-252FqsEalrXLAXVzuc2F5XkfoT6tMAmX3kPQ-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=AqjeMgkQCcDOy0ctVkQaKpiq99ncqsEEKNJ6WqvVNbE&m=ySkkWVZshs_ijAGY3o6-S18QzfrYTU7ZFzf5X2VX0LI&s=q3DKzAdrXbivtUA5uXL7r-UucAIEFjLfLQh8CJAV9dw&e=> >> >> also as text below. >> >> Thanks a lot for taking these minutes, Ege! >> >> Kazuyuki >> >> --- >> >> [1]W3C >> >> [1] https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.w3.org_&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=AqjeMgkQCcDOy0ctVkQaKpiq99ncqsEEKNJ6WqvVNbE&m=eiHSQ6vcjFDSyzU68le409u3MAgzwpsEBVuAF8CIiTw&s=smFO1trzUenhscRIJ5X7mKdfrkWyjHPv1dCCxfpiw_c&e= <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com_-3Furl-3Dhttps-253A-252F-252Furldefense.proofpoint.com-252Fv2-252Furl-253Fu-253Dhttp-2D3A-5F-5Fwww.w3.org-5F-2526d-253DDwIBaQ-2526c-253DRoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI-5FJnE-2526r-253DAqjeMgkQCcDOy0ctVkQaKpiq99ncqsEEKNJ6WqvVNbE-2526m-253DeiHSQ6vcjFDSyzU68le409u3MAgzwpsEBVuAF8CIiTw-2526s-253DsmFO1trzUenhscRIJ5X7mKdfrkWyjHPv1dCCxfpiw-5Fc-2526e-253D-26data-3D02-257C01-257Csebastian.kaebisch-2540siemens.com-257C60b1e39c1a6f4af9cc5e08d7090400c8-257C38ae3bcd95794fd4addab42e1495d55a-257C1-257C0-257C636987785106025096-26sdata-3D24dRdFeQiqFcYU0TtiAPbjRppyw-252BVr-252FXrPcG5vsOoJE-253D-26reserved-3D0&d=DwMFAg&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=AqjeMgkQCcDOy0ctVkQaKpiq99ncqsEEKNJ6WqvVNbE&m=ySkkWVZshs_ijAGY3o6-S18QzfrYTU7ZFzf5X2VX0LI&s=GJtOLokuY5Epe0MyQqbGf7bO9MUfoeQ5ZcmP92p2p8E&e=> >> >> - DRAFT - >> >> Wot-IG/WG >> >> 10 Jul 2019 >> >> Attendees >> >> Present >> Kaz_Ashimura, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan, >> Kunihiko_Toumura, Michael_McCool, Michael_Lagally, >> Takahisa_Suzuki, Taki_Kamiya, Ryuichi_Matsukura, >> Tomoaki_Mizushima, Michael_Koster, Zoltan_Kis, >> Tetsushi_Matsuda >> >> Regrets >> Sebastian_Kaebisch >> >> Chair >> McCool >> >> Scribe >> ege >> >> Contents >> >> * [2]Topics >> 1. [3]Reminder of TPAC registration/hotel reservation >> 2. [4]W3C Data Modesl for Transportation WS >> 3. [5]IETF 105 Montereal (Jly 20-27) and WISHI/OPC >> meeting (July 19) >> 4. [6]Old documents >> 5. [7]WG Charter Extension >> 6. [8]IG Charter under review >> 7. [9]TPAC planning >> 8. [10]Core profile proposal >> 9. [11]TF reports >> 10. [12]PlugFest call >> * [13]Summary of Action Items >> * [14]Summary of Resolutions >> __________________________________________________________ >> >> <kaz> scribenick: ege >> >> Reminder of TPAC registration/hotel reservation >> >> <kaz> [15]TPAC registration >> >> [15] https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.w3.org_2019_09_TPAC_registration.html&d=DwIBaQ&c=RoP1YumCXCgaWHvlZYR8PZh8Bv7qIrMUB65eapI_JnE&r=AqjeMgkQCcDOy0ctVkQaKpiq99ncqsEEKNJ6WqvVNbE&m=eiHSQ6vcjFDSyzU68le409u3MAgzwpsEBVuAF8CIiTw&s=-ppi2A0xt8XdntkhPpsunFI7jHbxtXOF9ZL4Znv-HfE&e= 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I will ping him and ask him >> >> TPAC planning >> >> Kaz: any joint meeting ideas? >> >> McCool: JSON-LD and accesibility would be good >> ... for Monday, Sep 16 (18:30-22:30) >> ... I can go to dev meetup >> ... other attendees can write their names here but you have to >> register first >> >> Core profile proposal >> >> Lagally: reviews from companies and individuals show some >> issues >> ... you have now a formal way of describing devices >> ... each time a new class of device comes, we can get >> un-interoperability >> ... so we need profiles that can guarantee usability of the >> device >> ... so we need some constraints >> ... having only one form >> ... having string or array of strings, causes an overhead >> ... constraint on objects, not nested >> ... not permitting security on lower levels, only one at the >> top level >> ... constraints on protocol, having only http >> >> McCool: what reduces complexity and what reduces >> interoperability >> ... so we should have two categories >> >> Lagally: so that constrained devices will be easier to support >> ... we can have multiple profiles >> >> McCool: we can look at the test results and focus on features >> that are implemented by 3+ implementations >> >> Lagally: but what is there as an example to validate the spec >> and what is an actual product? >> >> McCool: we can also add to check what uses HTTP or other >> profiles >> >> Ege: mozilla also talked about having action semantics (a queue >> for running actions etc.) so maybe we should look into specific >> behavior of interactions >> >> Lagally: interesting point to look into >> ... where would a new implementer find a guide to do a first >> implementation >> ... high level constaints >> ... 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