- From: Kazuyuki Ashimura <ashimura@w3.org>
- Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2019 18:35:43 +0900
- To: Public Web of Things IG <public-wot-ig@w3.org>, public-wot-wg@w3.org
available at:
https://www.w3.org/2019/06/26-wot-minutes.html
also as text below.
Thanks a lot for taking these minutes, Zoltan!
Kazuyuki
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[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
- DRAFT -
WoT-IG/WG
26 Jun 2019
Attendees
Present
Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Dave_Raggett,
Michael_Koster, Taki_Kamiya, Kunihiko_Toumura,
Michael_Lagally, Takahisa_Suzuki, Zoltan_Kis,
Ryuichi_Matsukura, Ege_Korkan, Toru_Kawaguchi,
Tomoaki_Mizushima, Sebastian_Kaebisch
Regrets
Matthias_Kovatsch
Chair
McCool
Scribe
zkis, kaz
Contents
* [2]Topics
1. [3]Quick updates
2. [4]Spec status - comments from TAG and PING
3. [5]wrapping up the current charter
4. [6]Security reviews
5. [7]Binding Templates spec
6. [8]Scripting API and Security Guidelines
7. [9]Minutes from the workshop and F2F
8. [10]Next WG charter
9. [11]TPAC demo logistics
10. [12]Next WG Charter (contd.)
* [13]Summary of Action Items
* [14]Summary of Resolutions
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<kaz> scribenick: zkis
Quick updates
McCool: TPAC reminder
<kaz> [15]TPAC Registration site
[15] https://www.w3.org/2019/09/TPAC/registration.html
<kaz> [16]TPAC Accommodation page (online booking site
tentatively unavailable)
[16] https://www.w3.org/2019/09/TPAC/travel.html
McCool: other events coming up, Connexus and IETF hackathon
Matthias: also participating on the hackathon, including
semantic model translation
... no confirmation from OCF data model people
<mjkoster> here is a link to the OMA + WISHI meeting on Friday
July 19th in Montreal, before IETF105
<mjkoster> [17]https://github.com/t2trg/2019-07-oma
[17] https://github.com/t2trg/2019-07-oma
Spec status - comments from TAG and PING
McCool: finalizing the spec
... we got a comment from David Baron of Mozilla
[18]June-26 TAG minutes
[18] https://github.com/w3ctag/meetings/blob/gh-pages/2019/telcons/06-26-minutes.md#user-content-web-of-things-is-waiting-on-us-357-355---torgo
McCool: waiting for TAG's official feedback on June 27, and
also from Privacy group
... on the TD call (11pm-1d PDT, 2am EDT, 8am CEST, 3pm JST) we
could address the feedback
... about the security task force, some minor issues to be
addressed
... some things to coordinate with Mozilla; on the F2F met and
agreed about how to go on
... first propose on the email list, then discuss
Lagally: maybe the priority of that has moved, we should check
again with them
McCool: will meet Ben again and then decide
Lagally: why not involve Kathy as well?
McCool: hope that Ben briefed David about the agreements done
on the F2F
... will propose to Dan to involve the key people in this
conversation and resolve the issues
Kaz: we should include Yves Lafon (TAG Team Contact) and Dan
Appelquist (TAG Chair) into the discussion, shouldn't we?
McCool: perhaps we should let Mozilla talk first
... so let's check with David and Ben first
Kaz: we need to wrap up the TAG discussion before Proposed REC
transition
... and should consider David's comment as part of the TAG work
... note that the TAG is discussing David's comment now and
will let us know about their official conclusion
... so I'd suggest we continue another discussion with the TAG
as a whole in addition to the discussion with Mozilla guys
separately
McCool: yes, but we need to understand Mozilla's position first
... let's get Ben, Kathy and David together and clarify things
Lagally: just wanted to note there is no architecture call
tomorrow
wrapping up the current charter
McCool: we missed the time in this charter
... Jeff Jaffe suggested extension
... first we should do small editorial changes, then handle
PING and TAG
... we need 2 months extension, which might be short because
summer holidays
... then it overlaps with TPAC where we discuss the next
charter
Sebastian: 2 months is a bit too long
McCool: we have a lot of stuff: edits, resolutions, etc
Sebastian: the new charter discussion is moved to... [when]?
McCool: we need to recharter the IG anyway, but we need to
extend the WG charter
Kaz: if we can get the 2 months extension, we don't need to
wait until the end of that
(note: PING means W3C Privacy Interest Group)
McCool: any objections to the extension?
Sebastian: so we ask W3C management about the extension and
they're expected to approve it?
McCool: yes, that is the process
Sebastian: IMO 2 months looks a bit long, but I am OK with it
Lagally: do we have to ask the extension right now or assess
the TAG and PING impact first?
McCool: yes, we need it now
... we are bound by the W3C management meeting date
... OK, so we apply for WG charter extension
<McCool> proposal: Ask W3M for a two-month WG extension.
Kaz: note that (as I mentioned during the WoT Chairs call and
during this WoT main call) I've already sent a request to W3M
mentioning we may need 2-month extension. Regarding the actual
extension period, we need to negotiate with W3M.
McCool: so we take what they give us
RESOLUTION: the WG asks for 2 months charter extension from W3M
Security reviews
McCool: we got review from Terri Oda but only for the security
guidelines
... we need to ask the TAG if we need external review
... for instance from Oliver Pfaff
... will ping Terri Oda again for additional security review
Sebastian: I can ask Oliver to join the security meeting on
next Monday
McCool: we need a visible evidence of external review in github
Sebastian: if there is an issue, we should have a link to share
with Oliver
McCool: if he finds an issue, needs to raise an issue in
github, or otherwise have written evidence of a review
Kaz: we agree on the review process
... expected privacy review is not done yet by PING
... we need to wrap up the outstanding discussions, and if we
don't get those by tomorrow, I will ping them and will talk
with W3M about how to proceed
McCool: need to move on
Binding Templates spec
Koster: some issues raised by Matthias, need to resolve them
... didn't have time to update the doc because got involved
with supervising all data modeling
McCool: can we publish the current document?
Koster: it's not quite appropriate right now
... we need to restructure the document, add MQTT vocabulary
and add as appendix etc
Kaz: Victor also started some work on vocabulary including MQTT
... could add a link to that work
Koster: yes, and we could use HTTP examples for binding for now
... we don't need to publish that appendix with the Bindings
Template document
Sebastian: there is no binding for MQTT or CoAP defined yet
McCool: we need to clean up the document and get it published
as a Note ASAP
... since M.Koster is busy, we need a volunteer for this
... because the close links to TD, could Sebastian or Victor
take this?
Sebastian: will discuss internally and will decide
Scripting API and Security Guidelines
McCool: we have drafts for publication
... even though Scripting is optional, we need a consensus and
a version published
... any objection against publishing these two documents?
No objections noted.
McCool: there will be some small changes to the Security doc
<zkis> [19]Scripting API draft (HTML rendered version)
[19] http://w3c.github.io/wot-scripting-api/
<McCool> [20]Security and Privacy Guidelines (HTML on the
GitHub repository)
[20] https://github.com/w3c/wot-security/blob/master/index.html
<kaz> [21]Security and Privacy Guidelines (HTML rendered
version)
[21] https://w3c.github.io/wot-security/
Zoltan: the PR has been merged, now will clean up the issues
McCool: since no objections, we will publish Scripting API and
Security Guidelines
RESOLUTION: the WG will publish the Scripting API (as an
updated WD) and the Security Guidelines document (as an updated
group Note).
Minutes from the workshop and F2F
<kaz> scribenick: kaz
McCool: Kaz is working on the minutes.
<kaz> scribenick: zkis
Next WG charter
McCool: Matthias made a proposal, M.Lagally sent feedback; more
feedback needed
... we should finalize this topic in the next call
TPAC demo logistics
McCool: will have a small demo to showcase what we are doing,
as a starting point for discussions
... the one hour breakout isn't terrible
... there are several options for preparation and testing
... one room is available for setting up on Monday and Tuesday
(Sebastian leaves)
Kaz: will prepare a table on the f2f wiki
(Zoltan leaves)
<kaz> scribenick: kaz
McCool: any questions/comments?
(none)
McCool: another option is Fujitsu's facility for preparation
Kaz: it's part of option b which we've already discussed
Options of the locations for WoT demo preparation:
option a: at the W3C Team staff room with restricted time on
Mon/Tue
option b: somewhere else at the Member companies during weekend
option c: lobby
Next WG Charter (contd.)
[22]Matthias' slides
[22] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-wg/2019Jun/att-0022/2019_W3C-WoT-F2F-WG-Charter-v3.pptx
McCool: (shows the slides)
... people here joined the discussion during the f2f
... we had long brainstorming discussion there
... Matthias is still organizing these slides
... [WG Charter]
... one of the main goals is making Mozilla onboard
... got a comment from David Baron on "plug&play"
... the basic idea here is profile for plug&play
... (at 1.1 Well-known)
... 4 columns here
... 1.1 Maintenance
... clean up basically
... TD security schemes like OAuth2
... kind of modular extension
... straightforward for testing
... then TD Link relation types
... TD hierarchies and IANA?
... almost informational
... not adding new features
... then TD vocabulary
... producer, full/partial JSON schema, TD default values
... then general Refactoring
... need to look at usability issues
... that's 1.1 Maintenance
... and next
... "1.1 Well-known"
... profile for plug&play
... implementation view spec
... next set complex interactions
... including hypermedia responses
... no standard way to cancel actions
... the other thing, observe defaults for get, set properties
... and protocol vocabulary
... the goal here is update and publishing RECs
... then bunch of stuff for 1.1-2.0
... discovery, protocol binding
... [IG/CG activities]
... p3 is IG/CG activities
Lagally: we need to clarify which to come first and which for
next
[23]Lagally's diagram
[23] https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-wot-wg/2019Jun/att-0023/2019_W3C-WoT-F2F-WG-Charter-v3-Oracle.pptx
Kaz: we should look into the details including the dependency
diagram by Lagally and continue the discussion
McCool: Lagally can send the diagram to Matthias and merge it
with the slide deck
... let's get feedback for the slides
... (goes through the IG/CG topics again)
... (also the WG topics)
... good to finalize the topics for rechartering
... that's it for today
... let's continue the discussion next week
... any other business?
(none)
[adjourned]
Summary of Action Items
Summary of Resolutions
1. [24]the WG asks for 2 months charter extension from W3M
2. [25]the WG will publish the Scripting API (as an updated
WD) and the Security Guidelines document (as an updated
group Note).
[End of minutes]
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