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Re: [whatwg] A plea to Hixie to adopt <main>

From: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2012 13:52:01 +1100
Message-ID: <CAHp8n2ntMsc7hoQER1mkb23g+fJgXYmxtApJeFSWVG5Ce8NLRg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Tim Leverett <zzzzbov@gmail.com>
Cc: whatwg <whatwg@whatwg.org>, "Jens O. Meiert" <jens@meiert.com>
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 12:17 PM, Tim Leverett <zzzzbov@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> > Are you fundamentally distrusting the author in all semantic markup?
>
> In some circumstances, yes. Most of the work I've done so far has been in
> environments where programmers write code, and editors write content.
> Typically the content is via a CMS. If the editor is good but the
> programmer is not, the content is still worth having even if its surrounded
> by rubbish markup. From a data analytics and processing standpoint, there's
> no reason to discard good content just because its held in bad code in the
> same way that there's no reason to accept bad content just because its well
> formatted.
>
>
> > Why then did we introduce <article>, <header>, <nav>, <aside>, <footer>
> etc when we can't trust the author to put the correct content in there? I
> don't really see the difference.
>
> Steve made a good point about user agents being able to tune into semantic
> elements for assistive tech. But I would guess (with no data to support my
> claim) that most programmers *want* to do things the right way.


I agree.


> I find that, semantically, most of the time most websites are mostly
> correct. Headings tend to be in <h#> elements, paragraphs tend to be in <p>
> elements, etc. Heuristic analysis of content can take advantage of semantic
> markup by giving it a heavier weight than, say...a <div> element, but that
> doesn't mean the heuristics are any less complex.
>

Are you saying we should not introduce a <main> element because where there
is no <main> element we may need to come up with a complex heuristic to
determine where it should have been?

Silvia.
Received on Thursday, 15 November 2012 02:52:58 GMT

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