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Re: [whatwg] <source>s in <video> by quality as well as codec

From: Charles Pritchard <chuck@jumis.com>
Date: Wed, 04 Jul 2012 08:13:31 -0700
Message-ID: <4FF45D9B.6090600@jumis.com>
To: Silvia Pfeiffer <silviapfeiffer1@gmail.com>
Cc: "whatwg@lists.whatwg.org" <whatwg@lists.whatwg.org>, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>, Rodger Combs <rodger.combs@gmail.com>
On 6/6/2012 1:32 AM, Silvia Pfeiffer wrote:
> I believe right now there are two proposals under discussion that are
> trying to address the adaptive streaming issues:
> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/audio/raw-file/tip/streams/StreamProcessing.html
> and
> http://dvcs.w3.org/hg/html-media/raw-file/tip/media-source/media-source.html
>
> I believe both are still somewhat at the experimental level and need
> harmonization, but they are both being worked on at the W3C.

The <video><source /></video> format works well for the majority of use 
cases, but it falls a little short in expressiveness.
It was not designed for adaptive streaming. I don't think it needs to 
be: as Ian pointed out, an adaptive channel with endpoint negotiation 
would be ideal.

And we may just end up with a new scheme: my+magic+adaptive+scheme://.
WHATWG has experimented with new URI schemes such as "enc:".

Magnet has become more common-place.

Here's what it looks like:
magnet:?xt=urn:btih:e1eaf0ce97d0a3dfd7da9fac32cffe63fcda7b66&dn=Mozilla+Firefox+13.0&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.openbittorrent.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.publicbt.com%3A80&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.istole.it%3A6969&tr=udp%3A%2F%2Ftracker.ccc.de%3A80

There is a [reasonably] secure hash and 4 reference servers.

The magnet URI technique is going to keep evolving anyway, but I thought 
it'd be nice if we took a look at it, to see if there's any further use 
in relation to media streaming.

One might for instance, provide additional data, pointing to a set of 
http servers and perhaps an alternative as well, pointing to a smaller 
file size.

-Charles


> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 8:23 AM, Charles Pritchard <chuck@jumis.com> wrote:
>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 2:54 PM, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 21 Feb 2012, Rodger Combs wrote:
>>>> I propose that <source> add a quality, bitrate, or filesize attribute to
>>>> allow the UA to decide between multiple streams by choosing the maximum
>>>> quality file that it can download within a reasonable amount of time
>>> If this is for a site like YouTube, I think an adaptive network channel
>>> would be a more effective solution (i.e. one where the download adapts in
>>> real time to changing network conditions, with the endpoints negotiating
>>> with each other regarding what to transmit).
>>
>> I'd like to see strawman proposals for resource description markup.
>>
>> Presently, magnet+BitTorrent is the only mature and implemented tech in this field that I've found with wide support. And it's not even meant for adaptive streaming.
>>
>> I know that markup for subtitles happened in this group. I'd like to see an effort for markup for resources, with the same experimental atmosphere.
>>
>> The hope being that we can copy and paste some kind of text markup which describes various endpoints and metadata sufficient for streaming strategies for media.
>>
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