- From: Mike Wilson <mikewse@hotmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:08:14 +0200
Michael Nordman wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:37 PM, Mike Wilson wrote:
> > Btw, another reflection is that this mail thread is about
> > introducing a client/server model in the browser. Some
> > mentions of complex code in the background page, f ex building
> > the HTML for the visible window, make me think of traditional
> > server-centric webapps, but inside the browser. I've made
> > the below table to illustrate this, and I mean to point out
> > similarities between traditional server-centric and the new
> > background_page-centric webapps, and between client-centric
> > and visible-centric webapps. Maybe this can inspire some new
> > thoughts.
>
> Yes... client/server model in the browser... good observation... and a
> good way to think about the direction I would like to see things go.
> Incidentally, that line of thinking is my motivation for the
> introduction of script-generated responses in this (HTML5) system
> design.
Ah, I seem to have missed that. Makes total sense for offline
as it probably makes it a lot easier to port server-centric
apps to the cache, and well, there is already a concept of
serving files (although only static).
It's not a small thing to add, but if this is taken further I
think coordination should be done with current inititatives
using JS in server-side web platform designs, such as:
ServerJS WSGI https://wiki.mozilla.org/ServerJS/WSGI
(several products pointed to by comparison table)
Joyent Smart http://becoming.smart.joyent.com/index.html
+ other stuff using EnvJS, etc...
This would make it easier to move code between server and
client, simplifying creation of distributed and offline apps.
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? Remote ? ? ? ? ?Background ? Visible
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? server ? ? ? ? ?page ? ? ? ? page
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ------ ? ? ? ? ?---------- ? -------
> >
> > Current webapp designs:
> >
> > ?server- ? ? state
> > ?centric ? ? logic
> > ?(bugzilla) ?gen HTML -> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?render
> >
> > ?client- ? ? state -> ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? state
> > ?centric ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?logic
> > ?(gmail) ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?gen/render HTML
> >
> > New "background page" client-centric designs:
> >
> > ?background- state -> ? ? ? ?state
> > ?centric ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? logic
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? gen HTML -> ?render
> >
> > ?visible- ? ?state -> ? ? ? ?state -> ? ? state
> > ?centric ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? (logic) ? ? ?logic
> > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?gen/render HTML
Best regards
Mike
Received on Tuesday, 4 August 2009 01:08:14 UTC