- From: Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com>
- Date: Tue, 14 May 2013 14:08:36 -0700
- To: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com>, Julee <julee@adobe.com>
- CC: Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com>, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>
Retweeted from @WebPlatform account. J ---------------------------- julee@adobe.com @adobejulee -----Original Message----- From: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com> Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:02 PM To: julee <julee@adobe.com> Cc: Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com>, julee <jburdeki@adobe.com>, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables >Ok. Published, and tweeted! > >Chris Mills >Opera Software, dev.opera.com >W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org >Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M) > >On 14 May 2013, at 20:53, Julee <julee@adobe.com> wrote: > >> Looks good! J >> >> >> ---------------------------- >> julee@adobe.com >> @adobejulee >> >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com> >> Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 11:46 AM >> To: Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com> >> Cc: julee <jburdeki@adobe.com>, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, julee >> <julee@adobe.com>, Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher >> <jswisher@mozilla.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org" >> <public-webplatform@w3.org> >> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three tables >> >>> Thanks Eliot! Any more comments? I guess we should think about putting >>> this live and tweeting it soon. >>> >>> Chris Mills >>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com >>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org >>> Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M) >>> >>> On 14 May 2013, at 20:04, Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com> >>>wrote: >>> >>>> Minor edits incorporated >>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Chris Mills [mailto:cmills@opera.com] >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:42 AM >>>>> To: Eliot Graff >>>>> Cc: Julee Burdekin; Doug Schepers; Julee AtAdobe; Scott Rowe; Janet >>>>> Swisher; >>>>> public-webplatform@w3.org >>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three >>>>> tables >>>>> >>>>> Link to the blog post preview is here: >>>>> http://blog.webplatform.org/?p=381&preview=true >>>>> >>>>> Chris Mills >>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com >>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical >>>>> CSS3: >>>>> Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M) >>>>> >>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 19:28, Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Corrected my contact link and removed Chris' note that it pointed to >>>>>> him. >>>>>> >>>>>> Keep me posted on the blog. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Eliot >>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>> From: Chris Mills [mailto:cmills@opera.com] >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 10:23 AM >>>>>>> To: Julee Burdekin; Doug Schepers; Julee AtAdobe; Scott Rowe; Janet >>>>>>> Swisher; public-webplatform@w3.org >>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all three >>>>>>> tables >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've also finished the main list on the WPDW page: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday#15_May_ >>>>>>> 2013 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now starting the blog post - phew! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris Mills >>>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com >>>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical >>>>> CSS3: >>>>>>> Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 19:06, Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> oops, I just corrected the date on the page: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013- >>>>>>> 05-1 >>>>>>>> 5 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Chris Mills >>>>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com >>>>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical >>>>>>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 19:03, Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Cool - thanks! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've just finished creating the weekly page: see >>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013- >>>>> 05- >>>>>>> 13. Can I get someone to check it? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ta! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Chris Mills >>>>>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com >>>>>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of >>>>>>>>>"Practical >>>>>>>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 18:17, Julee Burdekin <jburdeki@adobe.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi, Chris: I'll take one group on. J >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> julee@adobe.com >>>>>>>>>> @adobejulee >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>>>>>> From: Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org> >>>>>>>>>> Date: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 8:52 AM >>>>>>>>>> To: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, julee <julee@adobe.com>, >>>>>>>>>> Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com>, Janet Swisher >>>>>>>>>> <jswisher@mozilla.com>, "public-webplatform@w3.org" >>>>>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org> >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all >>>>>>>>>>three >>>>>>>>>> tables >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I've looked through the Google spreadsheet, and picked these >>>>>>>>>>> properties for this week (23 in total), which are all in >>>>>>>>>>>somewhat >>>>>>>>>>> unfinished states according to the spreadsheet >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> border-image >>>>>>>>>>> border-image-outset >>>>>>>>>>> border-image-repeat >>>>>>>>>>> border-image-slice >>>>>>>>>>> border-image-source >>>>>>>>>>> border-image-width >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> break-after >>>>>>>>>>> break-before >>>>>>>>>>> break-inside >>>>>>>>>>> flow-from >>>>>>>>>>> flow-into >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> font >>>>>>>>>>> font-family >>>>>>>>>>> font-feature-settings >>>>>>>>>>> font-size >>>>>>>>>>> font-size-adjust >>>>>>>>>>> font-style >>>>>>>>>>> font-variant >>>>>>>>>>> font-weight >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> list-style >>>>>>>>>>> list-style-image >>>>>>>>>>> list-style-position >>>>>>>>>>> list-style-type >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> These form 4 distinct groups, which I think work well together >>>>>>>>>>>as >>>>>>>>>>> separate pieces of work. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ok? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Chris Mills >>>>>>>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com >>>>>>>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of >>>>>>>>>>> "Practical >>>>>>>>>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 17:27, Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I've read through this thread, and have ended up being >>>>>>>>>>>>confused >>>>>>>>>>>> as to what to do for this week's WPDW. For now, until a >>>>>>>>>>>>decision >>>>>>>>>>>> is made, shall I just choose the properties from the master >>>>>>>>>>>> google spreadsheet, and then fill in my choices for the week >>>>>>>>>>>>in >>>>>>>>>>>> a new section on >>>>>>>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday, >>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>>>> in a new page at >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013- >>>>> 05- >>>>>>> 15 ? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Chris Mills >>>>>>>>>>>> Opera Software, dev.opera.com >>>>>>>>>>>> W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of >>>>>>>>>>>> "Practical >>>>>>>>>>>> CSS3: Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M) >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 14 May 2013, at 00:23, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> >>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Julee, Scott- >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Scott's right that the Master List is hard to edit (as are >>>>>>>>>>>>>all >>>>>>>>>>>>> tables of any size in MediaWiki...). >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> How about a compromise where we just redo the spreadsheet to >>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>>>>> the right fields, and have the coordinators edit that? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> That way, we reduce the complexity of the task for >>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinators, and still shield the regular contributors from >>>>>>>>>>>>> dealing with the intimidating Bid Spreadsheet? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I do like Julee's solution of an autogenerated final list. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ultimately, so long as we preserve the bite-size morsels for >>>>>>>>>>>>> the contributors, I don't mind how we deal with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>coordinator >>>>>>>>>>>>> tasks. The workflow shouldn't get in our way, it should help >>>>>>>>>>>>>us >>>>> focus. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (That said, I personally like the sortable Master List... it >>>>>>>>>>>>> helped me decide what the topic areas should be for the first >>>>>>>>>>>>> week.) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards- >>>>>>>>>>>>> -Doug >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 5/13/13 5:53 PM, Julee wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, Scott: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think Doug didn't want to use that spreadsheet anymore. It >>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't have the tasks broken out and it was felt that its >>>>>>>>>>>>>> complexity is preventing folks from contributing. The 3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> different tables were created to provide simpler, more >>>>>>>>>>>>>> manageable views. In the wiki, these different views can >>>>>>>>>>>>>>only >>>>>>>>>>>>>> be generated by creating different tables. Maintenance, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>then, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> becomes painful and time-consuming. The weekly spreadsheet >>>>>>>>>>>>>> doesn't have the priority or the the standards, and the the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> master doesn't have notes. Otherwise, we could just rebuild >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the master list from the weekly tables. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> If we could have the same fields in the weekly table and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> master table, we could call the master the to-do list. Then >>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the weekly tables, we could simply concatenate them >>>>>>>>>>>>>>into >>>>>>>>>>>>>> a master >>>>>>> "finished" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think once we have done a property, we need to keep >>>>>>>>>>>>>> pointer to the spec (as that information would be on the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> page). >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would mean the only difference between the master and >>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> weekly would be the priority < which is something we might >>>>>>>>>>>>>> need a record of. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *How about if we add the priority to the end of the weekly >>>>>>>>>>>>>> check >>>>>>>>>>>>>> list?* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The data is preserved, but it won't bother coordinators, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>which >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the concern with adding too many columns. The to-do and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>the >>>>>>> "finished" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> tables would not be the same, but no critical data would be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> lost. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Then, the workflow would be:* >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * The decider moves the current week's properties out of the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> master to weekly page >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * The coordinators update the weekly page with usernames and >>>>>>>>>>>>>> notes >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * As the properties get finished, the coordinators copy the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> line items from the weekly page to the "finished" table >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> J >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> julee@adobe.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> @adobejulee >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:scottrowe@google.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 2:12 PM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: julee <julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>><mailto:cmills@opera.com>>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>, >>>>>>> Janet >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>><mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public- >>>>>>> webplatform@w3.org>" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public- >>>>>>> webplatform@w3.org>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> three tables >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Julee, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> The original spreadsheet: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AkRs- >>>>>>> 89PKiZpdE0xdm9 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sb1ZvRW >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1ZRzMtWEdyU0Z4OEE#gid=14 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is just a lot easier to work with. The weekly tables >>>>>>>>>>>>>>are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> okay, not a problem to work with. But the larger, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "master_list" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is so large that working with it in wiki is very difficult. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's why I recommend using the original spreadsheet to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>track >>>>>>>>>>>>>> results. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~Scott >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Julee <julee@adobe.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> What spreadsheet are you keeping up to date? This one: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/201 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3-05-08 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> #Border_color_properties >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julee >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com> @adobejulee >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Scott Rowe <scottrowe@google.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:scottrowe@google.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Monday, May 13, 2013 10:21 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: julee <julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>><mailto:cmills@opera.com>>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org <mailto:schepers@w3.org>>, >>>>>>> Janet >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>><mailto:jswisher@mozilla.com>>, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> "public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public- >>>>>>> webplatform@w3.org>" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <public-webplatform@w3.org <mailto:public- >>>>>>> webplatform@w3.org>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: REMINDER: WPDW coordinators, please update all >>>>>>>>>>>>>> three tables >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Folks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to suggest that we reduce the paperwork for >>>>>>>>>>>>>> coordinators here by eliminating the last "master_list" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>table. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> This table is nearly impossible to edit quickly and easily. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>We >>>>>>>>>>>>>> already have a spreadsheet that is far easier to work with, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I'd suggest we stick with it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It may be possible to populate the "master_list" table with >>>>>>>>>>>>>> transclusions from the other tables, but I don't have time >>>>>>>>>>>>>> right now to work on that. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In any case, I've continued to keep the spreadsheet up to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>date >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with my changes, and IMO, it works better than the giant >>>>>>> "master_list" >>>>>>>>>>>>>> table in the wiki. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~Scott >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 10:50 AM, Julee <julee@adobe.com >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <mailto:julee@adobe.com>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi, WPDW coordinators: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please remember to: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * update WPDW main page[1] with assigned items having check >>>>>>>>>>>>>> marks >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * update this week's page [2] with status >>>>>>>>>>>>>> * update master list [3] when things are done >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Julee >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1] >>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_Wednesday >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/2013- >>>>> 05- >>>>>>> 08 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [3] >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Meta:web_platform_wednesday/mas >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ter_lis >>>>>>>>>>>>>> t >>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------------------------- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> julee@adobe.com <mailto:julee@adobe.com> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> @adobejulee >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> >
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