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Re: Standardization status

From: Julee <julee@adobe.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 18:47:03 -0700
To: Lea Verou <lea@w3.org>, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
CC: Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org>, Nic da Costa <njr.dacosta@gmail.com>, WebPlatform Community <public-webplatform@w3.org>
Message-ID: <CE043D48.85DBC%julee@adobe.com>
I think these infographics are great! A few comments:

1. Should they link to the explanation of the icon or to the specification
section, below?

2. What's the value for a proprietary feature?

3. I thought the original requirement was for an icon that represents a
combination of spec status and vendor implementation, with the ability to
link to more detailed information about the specification or compatibility.

In other words, the original idea was to give the visitor a quick
indication of whether a feature was production-ready (stable and
implemented across browsers). If this is still the main experience we're
shooting for, then maybe we can reduce the number of W3C statuses and add
implementation "statuses"?

J

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-----Original Message-----
From: Lea Verou <lea@w3.org>
Date: Thursday, July 11, 2013 3:32 AM
To: Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>
Cc: Chris Mills <cmills@w3.org>, Nic da Costa <njr.dacosta@gmail.com>,
WebPlatform Community <public-webplatform@w3.org>
Subject: Re: Standardization status

>Hi Doug,
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>Should I link each status to the appropriate section there?
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>There arení»t any sections for the non W3C Rec track statuses...
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>I will also look into including the icons on each section.
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>Cheers,
>Lea
>
>Lea Verou
>W3C developer relations
>http://w3.org/people/all#lea ? http://lea.verou.me ? @leaverou
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>On Jul 11, 2013, at 13:31, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote:
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>> Hi, folks-
>> 
>> Here's the page explaining the standards statuses for W3C:
>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Standards/W3C
>> 
>> It would be nice if we could transclude each section as appropriate
>>into the articles.
>> 
>> Regards-
>> -Doug
>> 
>> On 7/11/13 4:38 AM, Chris Mills wrote:
>>> Love the icons Lea.
>>> 
>>> To combat the issue about people not knowing what the icons mean, how
>>> about including a little question mark icon near to where the icon is
>>> going to go, which when followed goes to a  page showing all the
>>> icons in sequence, along with a paragraph next to each one explaining
>>> what each means?
>>> 
>>> Chris Mills Opera Software, dev.opera.com W3C Fellow, web education
>>> and webplatform.org Author of "Practical CSS3: Develop and Design"
>>> (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>>> 
>>> On 11 Jul 2013, at 07:56, Nic da Costa <njr.dacosta@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> The only reason i brought this up as i viewed these on my phone
>>>> this morning and wasn't sure what they each stood for. And i agree,
>>>> a legend isn't the solution as having to navigate to another page
>>>> just to view it won;t work.
>>>> 
>>>> Just a thought, what about something like wrapping the text around
>>>> the indicator stating what it stands for, something like this [1]?
>>>> Having it split up around the top and the bottom? I will try do a
>>>> quick mock-up later today with the examples you sent to see how it
>>>> looks.
>>>> 
>>>> [1] http://codepen.io/chriscoyier/pen/circle-type/
>>>> 
>>>> // Nic da Costa
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 11 July 2013 08:31, Lea Verou <lea@w3.org> wrote: Hi Nic,
>>>> 
>>>> Glad you like it!
>>>> 
>>>> You are raising a very good point. Honestly, I doní»t know. :(
>>>> Suggestions welcome.
>>>> 
>>>> Eventually these statuses will link to pages explaining what they
>>>> mean, so at least that will be some help. Although, you certainly
>>>> shouldn't need to load another page just to find out the status.
>>>> 
>>>> Perhaps we could have a legend somewhere for now? I doní»t like this
>>>> solution because most people woní»t look at it, but ití»s better than
>>>> nothing.
>>>> 
>>>> Doug, since it was your idea, perhaps youí»ve thought about this?
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers, Lea
>>>> 
>>>> Lea Verou W3C developer relations http://w3.org/people/all#lea ?
>>>> http://lea.verou.me ? @leaverou
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Jul 11, 2013, at 09:18, Nic da Costa <njr.dacosta@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hey Lea
>>>>> 
>>>>> They look awesome! I really like them.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Is there a key on one of our pages indicating what each indicator
>>>>> means? As currently to determine what the indicator is ( if you
>>>>> aren't already familiar with them ) you have to hover over them,
>>>>> but what if this is mobile or other touch devices? How are new
>>>>> user's going to know what the indicator stands for?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Otherwise i think they look great!
>>>>> 
>>>>> // Nic da Costa
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 11 July 2013 06:54, Lea Verou <lea@w3.org> wrote: A few days
>>>>> ago Doug asked me to redesign the standardization status ribbon,
>>>>> because it was misleading and too obtrusive. A very good point he
>>>>> made was that we should indicate what each status means, not just
>>>>> the name. For example, many people doní»t know that Proposed
>>>>> Recommendations are more mature that Candidate Recommendations or
>>>>> that an Editorí»s Draft comes before a Working Draft. So, we
>>>>> worked together on a standardization status that looks more like
>>>>> a progress indicator for W3C statuses. Today I worked a bit on
>>>>> the other, non-W3C statuses as well, so I wanted some feedback.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hereí»s a dabblet with all statuses:
>>>>> http://dabblet.com/gist/5922066
>>>>> 
>>>>> And here are various statuses in context: ED:
>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/OLD:css/cssom/CSSRegionStyleRule
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>> WD: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/properties/shape-outside
>>>>> LC: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/functions/var CR:
>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/properties/border-radius
>>>>> REC: http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/properties/font-size
>>>>> Deprecated:
>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/html/attributes/lowsrc
>>>>> Experimental:
>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/css/properties/shape-inside
>>>>> 
>>>>> Also, I realized W3C Proposed Recommendation is not in the
>>>>> allowed statuses [1]. Someone should add it. Ií»d do it myself,
>>>>> but Ií»m not sure how.
>>>>> 
>>>>> [1]:
>>>>> http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/Property:Standardization_Status
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cheers, Lea
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Lea Verou W3C developer relations http://w3.org/people/all#lea ?
>>>>> http://lea.verou.me ? @leaverou
>>>>> 
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