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Re: Important: Preserve Content Attribution

From: PhistucK <phistuck@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 17:59:17 +0200
Message-ID: <CABc02_+uXu12VYcVnKd=gvitxdMnfsTLuK5Y4_OvJ0SYF3bYag@mail.gmail.com>
To: Alex Komoroske <komoroske@google.com>
Cc: Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com>, Chris Mills <cmills@opera.com>, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org>, "public-webplatform@w3.org" <public-webplatform@w3.org>
Is there a way to add a class to <body> (or some other container) with the
role of the user (user, administrator, blabla)?
If so, using CSS, I guess we could just hide that section according to the
role, assuming -
- The ID/class is persistent for that section.
- There is an ID/class for a new page form (but maybe we can leverage #hash
and :target).

☆*PhistucK*


On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Alex Komoroske <komoroske@google.com>wrote:

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> On Sat, Jan 19, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Eliot Graff <Eliot.Graff@microsoft.com>wrote:
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>> +1 to Chris' suggestion.
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>> Requiring the selection of an attribution property at the time of topic
>> creation--even if that is "no attribution"--and then locking down that
>> property should work. We could make the property editable by an admin,
>> though, for when and if it does need to change.
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> Unfortunately, I'm not sure if it's possible to lock down a property on an
> otherwise-editable page.  Other MediaWiki gurus may be able to think of a
> clever workaround.
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>> I also agree that a statement of our policy around licensing and
>> attribution and the reasons that this encourages and protects content
>> submission would make a fine blog post.
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> +1
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>>
>> Eliot
>>
>> >-----Original Message-----
>> >From: Chris Mills [mailto:cmills@opera.com]
>> >Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 1:16 AM
>> >To: Doug Schepers
>> >Cc: public-webplatform@w3.org
>> >Subject: Re: Important: Preserve Content Attribution
>> >
>> >
>> >Chris Mills
>> >Opera Software, dev.opera.com
>> >W3C Fellow, web education and webplatform.org Author of "Practical CSS3:
>> >Develop and Design" (http://goo.gl/AKf9M)
>> >
>> >On 19 Jan 2013, at 06:22, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi, folks-
>> >>
>> >> As an addendum, it may be a good idea for us to investigate how we can
>> >make sure that attribution is preserved from removal by casual editors
>> who
>> >aren't familiar with our policies.
>> >>
>> >> There may also be other kinds of information or content that we want
>> to be
>> >immutable, including any legal advice or security warnings.
>> >>
>> >> I can think of 2 ways to manage this technically:
>> >>
>> >> 1) try to find a way to make certain blocks editable only by admins
>> >> (with a template somehow?);
>> >>
>> >> 2) try to find how to make any edits to a particular block send out a
>> >notification to some watcher.
>> >
>> >Nice overview Doug, this kind of information might be interesting as
>> blog post
>> >... hint hint ;-)
>> >
>> >We could perhaps have a system whereby when an article is first added,
>> the
>> >attribution information is a mandatory field for addition, addable by
>> anyone,
>> >and then when they've finished  their addition (for now), it gives them a
>> >"finalise this article first draft, yes/no" meaning that the content is
>> still
>> >editable, but certain information is locked down and only editable by
>> admins,
>> >such as the attribution info...
>> >
>> >>
>> >> I don't know how feasible either of those approaches is... I welcome
>> other
>> >thoughts.
>> >>
>> >> In the meantime, maybe we could add some instructions in the template,
>> >that show up in the form, that warn people from changing the attribution
>> >without careful consideration.
>> >>
>> >> Thoughts?
>> >>
>> >> Regards-
>> >> -Doug
>> >>
>> >> On 1/19/13 1:12 AM, Doug Schepers wrote:
>> >>> Hi, folks-
>> >>>
>> >>> There was a recently a slip-up in which some of the attribution on
>> >>> certain pages was removed; this has been corrected... no harm, no
>> foul.
>> >>> But I thought it was a good idea to remind (or inform) everyone of
>> >>> the importance of attribution.
>> >>>
>> >>> Attribution is critical to this project, from a legal, practical, and
>> >>> motivational perspective.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On the legal side, our license is CC-BY, or Creative Commons
>> >>> Attribution. When we agree to the site license, we all agree to honor
>> >>> this. Failing to provide attribution, or removing past attribution,
>> >>> is a violation of the letter and spirit of this license. Note that
>> >>> there are two exception to this:
>> >>>
>> >>> 1) things that only state facts, and not interpretation, are not
>> >>> protected by copyright, and are thus outside the bounds of licensing .
>> >>> But this line can be gray... a compilation of facts is protected by
>> >>> copyright if the selection and arrangement of the material is
>> >>> original; it's safer to provide and preserve attribution
>> >>>
>> >>> 2) if all the original material from a particular source has been
>> >>> excised from the article, attribution for that source can optionally
>> >>> be removed; in practice, however, we are only using this to
>> >>> deliberately simplify the license the article is available under,
>> >>> e.g., if the original content was under CC-BY-SA (Attribution and
>> >>> Share Alike), we might remove all the old material so it can be reused
>> >under CC-BY.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On the practical side, attribution is used for fame and blame. Fame
>> >>> is praising the original contributor for their content, so people
>> >>> know who to credit and thank when they are reusing the content. Blame
>> >>> is the flip-side of the same coin... it helps users (and reusers) to
>> >>> evaluate any possibly bias on the part of the original contributor.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On the motivational side, we are lucky enough to have many primary
>> >>> bulk contet contributors, and we hope to have large numbers of
>> >>> community contributors over time. Part of what motivates those
>> >>> contributors is the aforementioned well-deserved fame... remove that
>> >>> attribution, and you undermine motivation, and the project suffers;
>> >>> even people who don't want notoriety per se still have a sense of
>> >>> fairness, and may be discouraged if their contributions are not
>> afforded
>> >equal treatment.
>> >>> This even affects people who are potential contributors... they see
>> >>> how contributions and attributions are handled, and that may affect
>> >>> their decision on whether they will start contributing.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> So, everyone, please remember not to remove existing attribution, and
>> >>> always give credit when adding content.
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks!
>> >>>
>> >>> Regards-
>> >>> -Doug Schepers
>> >>> W3C Developer Relations Lead
>> >>>
>> >>>
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