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Re: Quoting W3C Specs on WPD

From: Janet Swisher <jswisher@mozilla.com>
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 11:03:05 -0600
Message-ID: <50B4F249.3020803@mozilla.com>
To: public-webplatform@w3.org
On 11/27/12 10:46 AM, Chris Mills wrote:
> Sounds mostly pretty reasonable to me. A few queries:
>
> 1. "Short quotations from any source" - as in, any W3C spec, or talking more generally?
>
> 2. I think something specific needs to be added in to urge the reader to think carefully about what stuff from W3C specs they do quote. I can understand people wanting to quote short bits of explanation of examples to add to a discussion, but not liberally republishing large sections. As you say, these documents aren't really meant for web developers. Should we follow that up with a comment along the lines of "inappropriate or excessive quotations will be removed", or is that too aggressive?

That seems a bit aggressive. It's already a wiki where content may be 
modified extensively (or removed) at any time.

I think something along these lines would be appropriate:

"As a practical matter, keep in mind that specifications are written to 
meet the needs of browser (and other user agent) implementors, not the 
needs of web developers. Therefore, quoting specs extensively may not be 
useful to WPD readers. A paraphrase of the spec may be more relevant for 
web developers than a direct quotation."

>
> On 27 Nov 2012, at 16:23, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi, folks-
>>
>> There have been a few requests to quote W3C specifications on WPD, in light of W3C's document license policy [1].
>>
>> We've had some discussions about this in the W3C team, and we're agreed that this is okay, and are working on articulating this clearly.
>>
>> Before we go much further internally, I wanted to show you where we are, and get feedback to go forward.
>>
>> How does something like this strike you, as a FAQ item?
>>
>> [[
>> "Can I use text from W3C Specifications on WebPlatform.org"
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> W3C Recommendations are licensed under the
>> [http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/copyright-documents-20021231
>> W3C Document License], which permits reproduction in full with attribution.
>>
>> Short quotations from any source may be made as fair use. In addition,
>> W3C grants permission to include longer direct quotations from W3C
>> specifications, under the W3C Document License.
>>
>> Images and diagrams from specifications may also be used on the documentation site, with proper attribution.
>>
>> To provide attribution, simply add a link to the quoted section of the specification along with your copied quote, like so:
>>
>> ((Add example here))
>>
>> Web Platform Docs has a [[future_url| link to the W3C copyright notice]], which applies site-wide, so there is no need to include additional copyright information.
>> ]]
>>
>> Keep in mind that under CC-BY, people will be copying and reusing the content from WPD elsewhere, so whatever solution we come up with needs to take that into account.
>>
>> Thoughts? Would this suffice? Do you have any other suggestions or things we missed?
>>
>> (On a meta note, I think we need to be careful about quoting from specs, because they aren't really meant for web developers, but for software implementers.)
>>
>> [1] http://www.w3.org/Consortium/Legal/2002/copyright-documents-20021231
>>
>> Regards-
>> -Doug
>>
>


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Janet Swisher <mailto:jREMOVEswisher@mozilla.com>
Mozilla Developer Network <https://developer.mozilla.org>
Technical Writer/Community Steward
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