Re: Subpages overwhelms the content

On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Jonathan Garbee <jonathan@garbee.me>wrote:

>  Example:  Turns out my original example was me not understanding the
> form setup correctly.  But, I also noticed when going to check that the
> /html/elements [1] form structure seems odd.  Is the entire table and list
> displayed on that table compiled using the "Print all subpages rooted here"
> check under the Basic Listing Configuration?
>

I think this may have changed since you wrote this (sorry for the delay!).
Now it's using a SMW query instead of the sublist checkbox to list all
pages.


> Also there is a See Also section but nothing is in that section of the
> form.  Is that due to it using a Topic Cluster?  If so then we should find
> a way to improve the usability of these forms and let people know how they
> work better.  It seems to be a pretty intricate system.
>

In this case it turns out that there's extra content in the page that's not
included in any form fields. If you choose Edit source you can see it. This
is a recurring problem on lots of forms, where we need a way to show
content that's in the markup but not actually (yet) put in the right form
field sections. There's a recent bug that was filed on this from the
hackathon.


>
> As far as touching goes since we can't do a DB query, if we do just touch
> things should we summarize with simply "touch"?
>

Yep, that's what I've been encouraging people to do.


> I could work on this here and there and make a bug report for it that
> people could hopefully work on during a Doc Sprint and add to the Most
> Wanted Tasks list as something people can just do to help out.  I
> understand wanting them to be organically edited to be brought into the new
> system, but if this is all it takes I think it is worth doing to try and
> get things sorted ASAP.
>
> -Garbee
>
>
> On 10/31/2012 1:18 PM, Alex Komoroske wrote:
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> On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 1:55 AM, Jonathan Garbee <jonathan@garbee.me>wrote:
>
>>  You have made perfect sense to me.  I also found this [1] bug report
>> which is also about the subject as well.
>>
>> Something I have noticed though is some of these pages when you go to
>> edit them the content is not shown,
>>
>
>  Do you have an example of this? I'd like to debug.
>
>
>>  you must go to edit source.  If we just open then save would the
>> content be brought over?
>>
>
>  Generally semantic forms is *pretty *good about maintaining the bits
> that don't fit into structured form fields between an open and a save. But
> I'd like to test that to verify. :-)
>
>>
>> If it is really just doing that is there no way to do a DB query of some
>> kind to just set everything the way it needs to be for all articles?
>>
>
>  Unfortunately, it's a bit harder than that, apparently.  The magic part
> of the "touch" process is when semantic forms looks at what templates are
> *supposed *to be on the page and then puts them there if they aren't yet.
> Semantic forms, in my limited understanding, is layered pretty much just on
> top of MediaWiki, which of course is layered on top of the database part.
> So you'd need to do something far more intricate than just working directly
> with the database. What exactly that would entail, I don't know.
>
>>
>> -Garbee
>>
>> [1] https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=19348
>>
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