Re: WebPlatform Browser Support Info

Hi! I'm not dutch, but the Queen (consorte) Máxima of the Netherlands was
born in Argentina, my home country ;)

About browser identification, on mobile it's usually a mess. Some examples:

1) Chrome on iOS (in terms of compatibility) is the iOS Web View, that is
99.9% the same as Safari - it doesn't deserve a mention by itself but it's
clearly not the same as Chrome on Android
2) Android default browser is not even the same on different devices with
the same Android OS -such as the browser in Samsung devices, or some Sony
devices with WebGL support-
3) Naming is complicated as it was stated before in this thread. For
example, "BlackBerry Browser" is basically a different browser in 6.x, 7.x,
BB10 and the PlayBook tablet. The same problem applies to "Nokia Browser"

I think WURFL already has a clever way to identify a combination of
browser/device based on the user agent and it uses a hierarchy mechanism to
provide default values for properties while some specific devices can
override them. WURFL also has an identifier per browser/platform. Look at
it may be a good idea.

Max

On Thu, Oct 17, 2013 at 3:12 AM, Doug Schepers <schepers@w3.org> wrote:

> Hi, folks-
>
> I'd like to start this discussion again, now that we have more interested
> people and more resources.
>
> The idea is to have a central repository of browser support information,
> i.e. what features are supported by which versions of which browser on
> which OS. We want to have a shared data model that combines the best
> features of all the browser compatibility sites out there, and to provide
> an API for anyone to use that information.
>
> On this list, we have the folks behind the best sites for this information
> on the Web:
> * Alexis Deveria, CanIUse.com
> * Peter-Paul Koch (PPK), QuirksMode.org
> * Niels Leenheer, HTML5Test.com
> * Max Firtman, MobileHTML5.org
>
> (BTW, why are 3 people on that list from the Netherlands??? Max, are you
> secretly Dutch, too?)
>
> We also have permission to use the data from MDN and W3C's test suites;
> the former will be good to fill in any gaps left by the sites above, and
> the latter is backed by detailed tests (which will be useful in a later
> phase, but for now, it's too fine-grained).
>
> Ronald Mansveld, who has backend skills, has volunteered to help us with
> creating the data model, creating scripts to scrape or request data from
> different sources, and normalize the data.
>
>
> Current Goals:
> * create unified data model (probably JSON)
> * integrate data from different sites into that data store
> * provide an API for that data
> * create a scalable extension for WebPlatform.org to show compat data on
> our pages
> * find the right level of granularity to display results in different
> contexts (e.g., quicklook, detailed tables of current information, drill
> down view into different data sources)
> * help automate QuirksMode's infrastructure
>
> Non-goals for WebPlatform.org:
> * testing user's browsers
> * collecting stats on browser usage for compat (uselessly skewed on a site
> aimed at web developers)
>
> Possible future goals:
> * report browser statistics (from best source... Akamai? netstats?)
> * report results for game consoles, set-top boxes, TVs, etc.
>
>
> Random notes:
> * We need to decide the granularity of support result values, such as:
> http://www.quirksmode.org/key.**html <http://www.quirksmode.org/key.html>
> * My initial prototype [4] for generating and displaying compatibility
> information in pages will not scale without a major restructuring; I
> haven't had time to do that; I hope Renoir (WebPlatform's devop) can help a
> bit with that, but he is busy
>
>
> I'm really excited to see this moving forward! We'd like to have a rough
> version ready for WebPlatform.org's upcoming beta launch.
>
>
> [1] http://docs.webplatform.org/**wiki/WPD:Compatibility_Info<http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Compatibility_Info>
> [2] http://docs.webplatform.org/**wiki/WPD:Compatibility_Info/**Phase_1<http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Compatibility_Info/Phase_1>
> [3] http://docs.webplatform.org/**wiki/WPD:Compatibility_Info/**Phase_2<http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Compatibility_Info/Phase_2>
> [4] http://docs.webplatform.org/**wiki/WPD:Compatibility_Info/**Test<http://docs.webplatform.org/wiki/WPD:Compatibility_Info/Test>
>
>
> Thanks-
> -Doug
>
>