Re: instant web payments via the lightning network

Good idea.

On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 3:16 PM Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
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> On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 at 18:44, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
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>> On Sat, 19 Jan 2019 at 18:30, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
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>>> On Thu, 17 Jan 2019 at 18:24, Michael Bumann <hello@michaelbumann.com>
>>> wrote:
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>>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>> On Monday, January 14, 2019 11:50 AM, Melvin Carvalho <
>>>> melvincarvalho@gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>> On Mon, 14 Jan 2019 at 11:30, Michael Bumann <hello@michaelbumann.com>
>>>> wrote:
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>>>>> Hi Melvin,
>>>>>
>>>>> yeah, I've been experimenting with the Bitcoin lightning network for a
>>>>> while and I am pretty excited about the state and how easy it is to build
>>>>> on top of it.
>>>>>
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>>>> Hi, Great!
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>>>> Funnily enough I was just reading your page, and realized it was you :
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>>>> Tim did actually a while back ask me to interact with this group
>>>> regarding http 402.  Some work has been done on that, including by me, and
>>>> it would be great to compare notes at some point.  Or maybe flesh out use
>>>> cases.
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>>>>
>>>> I got a bit lost in the different efforts around this topic. And some
>>>> seemed to me rather complicated (e.g. including standards for providing
>>>> invoice/shipping details)
>>>>
>>>> I'd love to see and online equivalent of handing a coin to the
>>>> newspaper person and getting some content in return.
>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Did you see/use lightning browser extension "joule"[1]?  It brings
>>>>> lightning payments to the browser - and there has been some discussion
>>>>> around supporting web payment standards - maybe somebody familiar can help?
>>>>>
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>>>> I have it installed, but dont fully understand the fine details.  When
>>>> my casa node arrives I'll be able to try it out with my own node.  But I
>>>> might set up a raspblitz while I wait.
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>>>> Let me know if you want to set it up on a server. I am happy to help,
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>>>> I was lead to your blog post from :
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>>>> https://github.com/wbobeirne/joule-extension/issues/46
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>>>>> I am wondering how to make it easier for content providers to
>>>>> integrate LN payments and also experimented with lightning payments for API
>>>>> requests [2].
>>>>>
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>>>> I have written in the past working code for pay walls, with a dance
>>>> around http 402, and in fact that's my current use case.
>>>>
>>>> Do you think some areas of this work flow would benefit from
>>>> standardization?
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>>>> as mentioned above I am not super aware of the current standardization
>>>> efforts and I ignored it because of simplicity with my experiments.
>>>> I think also joule ignored it for that reason.
>>>>
>>>> But yeah this must use some standard. Does anyone know how this could
>>>> fit into the current efforts?
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>>> How about this simple pay wall user story for proof of concept?
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>>> User Story
>>> <#m_1728713327420995450_m_-5517546107507471064_m_8143054714546802283_user-story>
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>>> As a teacher, Alice wishes to make her educational notes available to
>>> fellow teachers. Having put a great deal of effort into it, she would wish
>>> to get access to different notes from other teachers in return, or put up a
>>> pay wall for new teachers that have not yet prepared notes. Alice will set
>>> the price of access, and a license indicating it is not to be shared
>>> further. Bob, having obtained some credits on Alice's system purchases the
>>> notes, and starts working on his own presentations, which he would like to
>>> share in a similar way
>>>
>>>
>>> Process
>>> <#m_1728713327420995450_m_-5517546107507471064_m_8143054714546802283_process>
>>> Bob's attempts to access the URI, and receives a response, HTTP 402 -
>>> Payment Required.
>>>
>>> Also returned is a lightning network invoice in an HTTP header.
>>>
>>> Bob pays the invoice, then Alice allows access to the article
>>>
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>> Request
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>> HTTP GET paywall.org/article.html
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>> Response
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>> HTP 402
>> X-Lightning-Invoice : ln74894yiy...
>> Updates-Via : wss://paywall.org
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>> Maybe another header for the type of paywall?  ie lightning mainnet.  The
>> updates-via can be used to tell the user agent that the page is ready to
>> refresh.
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> Someone (aka basti) pointed me to the following doc saying X- headers are
> no longer a best practice
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> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6648
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> So perhaps we can standardize around the ln- prefix for example
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> ln-invoice
> ln-grpc
> ln-foo
> ln-bar
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> etc. ?
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>>>> With solid it's possible to access control content, and give back a
>>>> 4xx.  We dont yet return 402s but I've custom hacked a server to do that.
>>>> I'm not quite sure how a server will be able to know to send a 402.
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]https://lightningjoule.com/
>>>>> [2]
>>>>> http://michaelbumann.com/post/180389589277/bitcoin-lightning-machine-to-machine-api-payments
>>>>> [2] https://github.com/bumi/ln-markdown-to-pdf
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐
>>>>> On Saturday, January 12, 2019 6:04 PM, Melvin Carvalho <
>>>>> melvincarvalho@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> > I am curious if any of this group is interested in the lightning
>>>>> network [1].
>>>>> >
>>>>> > For those that are unaware, it is a system built on top of block
>>>>> chains that allow zero cost instant payments in a zero trust environment.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > There has been lots of innovation already this year, and it seems to
>>>>> be growing fast.  One service that impressed me is a custodial service
>>>>> built on top of twitter that allows you to add a tip jar based on your
>>>>> twitter account.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > https://tippin.me/
>>>>> >
>>>>> > This is a really easy way for non technical people to experience web
>>>>> payments and bitcoin in the browser, without the overhead of a high
>>>>> technical barrier to entry, or downloading a wallet.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Additionally I have added this to my sollid profile using the the
>>>>> foaf : tipjar predicate that has been around for about a decade but never
>>>>> really used.  The I have added it looks as follows :
>>>>> >
>>>>> > In turtle :
>>>>> >
>>>>> > </#me> <http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/tipjar> <
>>>>> https://tippin.me/@melvincarvalho> .
>>>>> >
>>>>> > In RDFa :
>>>>> >
>>>>> > <a target="_blank" rel="http://xmlns.com/foaf/0.1/tipjar" href="
>>>>> https://tippin.me/@melvincarvalho">https://tippin.me/@melvincarvalho
>>>>> </a>
>>>>> >
>>>>> > There are also new solutions such as a mobile wallet that receives
>>>>> payments (blue wallet), decentralized apps (Lapps) and ability to run your
>>>>> own node eg on a raspberry pi.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > If anyone is playing around in this space would love to hear from
>>>>> you, or if you'd like to get started and have, say a tippin me account, I'd
>>>>> be happy to send some satoshis (the unit of currency) to play around with.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > I think this brings forth an exciting new era of instant payments in
>>>>> the browser.  Would love to hear from anyone else that is interested in
>>>>> this tech.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > [1] http://lightning.network
>>>>>
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