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Re: do we meet at TPAC 2014?

From: Stephane Boyera <boyera@w3.org>
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 09:59:24 +0200
Message-ID: <5421285C.2020008@w3.org>
To: Pindar Wong <pindar.wong@gmail.com>
CC: Mountie Lee <mountie@paygate.net>, Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>, Web Payments CG <public-webpayments@w3.org>
Hi Pindar,

We are on the exact same line. Given that W3C is not yet a place where a 
big part of the finance industry is, we will ensure that before taking 
any decision, a critical mass is engaged. However, to be entirely 
honest, I tend to think that the best windows to consider membership is 
now. I don't want to be in a catch-22 position where some organizations 
want to see the type of work being developed before joining, and the 
group waiting for organizations to join before starting any work. I 
think it is too early to see what will happen, and we will have a better 
view at TPAC

BEst
steph


Le 23/09/2014 09:53, Pindar Wong a écrit :
> Thank you Steph for this thoughtful consideration.
>
> I would not want any new member to the W3C (in particular banks, payment
> processors and other financial institutions, say from the Asia Pacific
> or elsewhere) to feel disadvantaged at not being able to participate
> fully in any decision making next month pending procedural inertia or
> misunderstanding.
>
> Regards,
>
> Pindar
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 3:42 PM, Stephane Boyera <boyera@w3.org
> <mailto:boyera@w3.org>> wrote:
>
>     Hello Pindar,
>     You are absolutely right in the fact that the distance between the
>     group announce and the first f2f is short for new members to join.
>     I believe we can be flexible and have W3C members attending the F2F
>     even if they are just at the beginning of the W3C membership
>     application. We have a series of members in that state, that are
>     ready to join provided the group is created.
>     However, obviously if the attendance to the first face2face is low,
>     then we should seriously consider another event in the near future
>     like at the beginning of the year perhaps, or even before. This is
>     something we will be able to evaluate by the end of october.
>
>     Best
>     Steph
>
>     Le 23/09/2014 09:09, Pindar Wong a écrit :
>
>         Dear Stephane,
>
>         Thank you for your efforts and for your clarification regarding the
>         process. Especially regarding the approval (or not) of the
>         formation of
>         a Web Payment Interest Group (IG)  by October 16th.  The
>         extension of
>         any early-bird registration would  be most welcome by some and I am
>         sensitive to the optics w.r.t. an on-going vote.
>
>         Nevertheless, please do bear in mind that any potential new
>         members to
>         the W3C, who might join, if and only if, the new Interest Group is
>         formed, might well like the option to formally  participate in any
>         inaugural meeting of a  newly formed IG -- clearly that will be an
>         important event.   Thus having some placeholder dates and venue,
>         pending
>         outcome of a vote, would very much assist in managing all parties
>         expectations and would, I hope, not be controversial.
>
>         I look forward to the outcome of the W3C Membership and  Director's
>         decision. Even though, in my case, I regret that it is exceedingly
>         doubtful that I could attend on such short notice.
>
>         p.
>
>
>
>         On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 2:36 PM, Stephane Boyera <boyera@w3.org
>         <mailto:boyera@w3.org>
>         <mailto:boyera@w3.org <mailto:boyera@w3.org>>> wrote:
>
>              Hi Mountie, All,
>
>              W3C Web Payments IG is going to meet at TPAC if the group is
>              approved by W3C membership and W3C director by October 16.
>         At this
>              point in time we have received only positive reviews, so
>         i'm confident.
>              I'm working on extending the early-bird registration till
>         October 23
>              for members of Web Payments IG to give a week after the
>         announcement
>              of the group for people to register. I will confirm this in the
>              announcement of the launch of the group.
>
>              Best
>              Stephane
>
>
>              Le 23/09/2014 06:58, Mountie Lee a écrit :
>
>                  I think
>                  listing the schedule at
>         http://www.w3.org/community/____webpayments/
>         <http://www.w3.org/community/__webpayments/>
>                  <http://www.w3.org/community/__webpayments/
>         <http://www.w3.org/community/webpayments/>> is enough.
>
>                  that is also part of w3c page and the first place I
>         were try to find
>                  schedule.
>
>                  regards
>                  mountie.
>
>                  On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 1:48 PM, Manu Sporny
>                  <msporny@digitalbazaar.com
>         <mailto:msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
>         <mailto:msporny@digitalbazaar.__com
>         <mailto:msporny@digitalbazaar.com>>
>                  <mailto:msporny@digitalbazaar.
>         <mailto:msporny@digitalbazaar.>____com
>                  <mailto:msporny@digitalbazaar.__com
>         <mailto:msporny@digitalbazaar.com>>>> wrote:
>
>                       On 09/22/2014 11:41 PM, Pindar Wong wrote:
>                       > I'm sorry Manu but this meeting that you're
>         referring to
>                  below is NOT
>                       > on the schedule.
>
>                       Yes, this is causing a lot of confusion. I'm currently
>                  trying to get W3C
>                       to at least list the meeting on the schedule, with the
>                  caveat that it
>                       may not happen if W3C member companies vote the Web
>                  Payments Activity
>                       down. Even if that happens, I plan to run an
>         unconference
>                  session on it
>                       and the Credentials work during W3C TPAC.
>
>                       Stephane has mentioned the meeting on this public
>         mailing list:
>
>         http://lists.w3.org/Archives/____Public/public-____webpaymentsigcharter/2014Sep/____0016.html
>         <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/__Public/public-__webpaymentsigcharter/2014Sep/__0016.html>
>
>
>         <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/__Public/public-__webpaymentsigcharter/2014Sep/__0016.html
>         <http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webpaymentsigcharter/2014Sep/0016.html>>
>
>                       W3C is not supposed to list meetings that have not
>         yet been
>                  approved by
>                       the W3C membership (the vote is currently
>         ongoing). I'm
>                  guessing that
>                       this is because some of the W3C membership may get
>         cranky
>                  if W3C does
>                       something that hasn't been approved by them.
>         Unfortunately,
>                  that
>                       approval will come on October 16th at the
>         earliest, which
>                  is well past
>                       the early-bird registration deadline.
>
>                       > I guess people do things differently, but is there a
>                  venue or is
>                       > that also up in the air too?
>
>                       The venue will be W3C TPAC, but currently you
>         either have
>                  to be a W3C
>                       member to attend, or show promise at becoming a
>         member in
>                  the future.
>
>                       -- manu
>
>                       --
>                       Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny,
>         G+: +Manu
>                  Sporny)
>                       Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc.
>                       blog: The Marathonic Dawn of Web Payments
>         http://manu.sporny.org/2014/____dawn-of-web-payments/
>         <http://manu.sporny.org/2014/__dawn-of-web-payments/>
>                  <http://manu.sporny.org/2014/__dawn-of-web-payments/
>         <http://manu.sporny.org/2014/dawn-of-web-payments/>>
>
>
>
>
>                  --
>                  Mountie Lee
>
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>         <mailto:mountie@paygate.net>>
>                  <mailto:mountie@paygate.net
>         <mailto:mountie@paygate.net> <mailto:mountie@paygate.net
>         <mailto:mountie@paygate.net>>>
>
>
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