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Re: Unlinkability. Re: Building Linked Data into the Core of the Web

From: Kingsley Idehen <kidehen@openlinksw.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 15:15:57 -0400
Message-ID: <5420756D.2030702@openlinksw.com>
To: public-webpayments@w3.org
On 9/22/14 11:32 AM, Anders Rundgren wrote:
> On 2014-09-22 13:16, Kingsley Idehen wrote:
>> On 9/22/14 2:31 AM, Anders Rundgren wrote:
>>> I'm by no means an enemy to Linked Data, I just don't see what it
>>> would do for *conventional* payments except for introducing privacy
>>> and access control concerns.
>>
>> Please take time to digest:
>>
>> [1] 
>> http://bit.ly/enterprise-identity-management-and-attribute-based-access-controls
>> [2] 
>> http://bit.ly/loosely-coupled-read-write-web-and-web-access-controls-using-webid 
>> .
>>
>> You cannot make a moderately usable system without an identification 
>> mechanism that isn't yet another data silo.
>>
>> *conventional* payments are an application of data driven 
>> identification, interaction, and management.
>
> My only ambition has been describing how you could "webify" an 
> existing payment system,
> *without* changing data ownership, relationships, business-, trust-, 
> or privacy-models.

You can't achieve that goal, in any non contradictory way, if you've 
somehow convinced yourself that Linked Open Data and Webify aren't 
inextricably linked.

"*without* changing data ownership, relationships, business-, trust-, or 
privacy-models." is just another way of saying: structured data 
representation + entity relationship semantics, without 
data-silo-fication. That's exactly what RDF based Linked Open Data is 
fundamentally about, period [1].

>
> Since the main problem with identity information is not the 
> information itself but
> how it will be used after being submitted, it seems like a safe(r) bet 
> minimizing
> exposure of such data.

Linked Open Data never means "uncontrolled or unconstrained access to 
data" [1].

>   This is a corner-stone of my write-up.  Another example is
> FIDO which (at least on paper...) is the opposite to Linked Data since 
> each site
> is supposed to be an identity silo.  In practice FIDO doesn't work as 
> Google claims
> but that's altogether different discussion :-)

You can conditionally constrain access to data using data access policies.


[1] 
http://bit.ly/enterprise-identity-management-and-attribute-based-access-controls 
-- presentation that covers Linked Open Data and Attribute based Access 
Controls working in tandem.


Kingsley
>
> Anders
>
>
>
>>
>> Your point is inherently contradictory.
>>
>> -- 
>> Regards,
>>
>> Kingsley Idehen
>> Founder & CEO
>> OpenLink Software
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>
>
>


-- 
Regards,

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